Whole Home Energy Usage

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Anyone know of some way to get whole home energy usage into my Vera?

It looks like the TED 5000 might work. They have an API. Seems like some Luup integration might do the trick. Imagine turning off things if the energy usage gets too high, etc.

http://www.theenergydetective.com/ted-5000-developer-and-api.html

Regards,
Adam (aka Fred)

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I’ll have to look into TED…I have been keeping an eye out for DIY options too:

http://labs.moto.com/android-meets-energy/ ***uses webcams to monitor gas too

http://www.kondra.com/circuit/circuit.html ***measures each circuit separately

http://www.picobay.com/projects/2009/01/real-time-web-based-power-charting.html

Of course Vera will give a good estimate of anything being switched by Vera, by using the time it was on and the Wattage that you enter for that device.

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Turns out that it may be already addressed or can be easily addressed with the TED5000…(may be just waiting for the Vera GUI)

read this thread:

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=9.0

For $200 you can get the TED5000 w/o the wireless display unit (but for only $40 more it is tempting to just get the display too.)

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Hi all,

We already have the plugin for TED5000 available. We will integrate it in the next firmware release, as for now we’re still running some tests with it.

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Are you talking to it over it’s Ethernet interface, or over it’s ZigBee one? I’d be interested in helping get the ZigBee interface operational if you guys can get the documentation for it from the T.E.D folks.

I’m hoping they expose the same capabilities over their ZigBee channel that they do over their Ethernet interface.

I have all the other components to do it, just need their ZigBee Protocol doco to get started and unfortunately this isn’t available (only the Ethernet proto is available)

My Goal: Make it trivial to connect TED to Vera in cases where folks don’t have Ethernet (like near their Power board) using Off the Shelf components.

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[quote=“fred, post:1, topic:165335”]Anyone know of some way to get whole home energy usage into my Vera?

It looks like the TED 5000 might work. They have an API. Seems like some Luup integration might do the trick. Imagine turning off things if the energy usage gets too high, etc.

http://www.theenergydetective.com/ted-5000-developer-and-api.html

Regards,
Adam (aka Fred)[/quote]

I’d like o get some more details about this which looks promising -
http://aeon-labs.com/site/products/view/4/

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yeah this looks interesting. I wonder if ASIHome know when they will be able to get it?

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Hi,

The current plugin will communicate over Ethernet for now. We will consider the ZigBee protocol after we will have it implemented into Vera.

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When’s the next firmware release? I just got my TED 5000 and will be hooking it up this weekend.

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Never mind on the question, saw where you said max two weeks in another thread. So by Jaunary 25th or sooner. Two days before the Apple announcement!

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[quote=“mcvovidiu, post:4, topic:165335”]Hi all,

We already have the plugin for TED5000 available. We will integrate it in the next firmware release, as for now we’re still running some tests with it.[/quote]

How did the testing go with the plugin?

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Sounds like more needs to be said regarding not only the TED 5000 plug-in but ZigBee interfacing in general.

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[quote=“mcvovidiu, post:4, topic:165335”]Hi all,

We already have the plugin for TED5000 available. We will integrate it in the next firmware release, as for now we’re still running some tests with it.[/quote]

Any update on this? I have a TED5000 and would love to integrate it into my new vera2…

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Ditto! I too would like to integrate my TED 5000/Google powermeter setup with Vera. Any suggestions?

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I just plugged in a TED5000 I had already with the USB option.
I think it created a FTDI serial port device but UI4 didn’t actually respond to plugging it in.

Can I do anything with this at all yet?

One of the first things I’d really like is a chart of the energy useage for the day/week/month.

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Does anyone know if any progress has been made on ted5000 support?

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Seems to be like most other things that never made it off the to-do pile. Odd considering a mention earlier in the thread about a plugin!

I was also interested in this but stupidly went with the Aeon solution which currently doesn’t work.

The blue line energy monitor is also a good viable solution and possibly easier to mount as it doesn’t rely on the CT clamps (reads the meter itself) and the monitoring can be expanded to include the WiFi bridge to link to Microsoft Hohm:

http://www.microsoft-hohm.com/partners/blueline.aspx

The whole kit is about $270 (including taxes and shipping) if bought together:
http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Blue-Line-Innovations-PowerCost-Monitor-WiFi-Edition/product/5FE452E4?one=blank&WT.mc_id=mercent&two=blank&three=blank&mr:trackingCode=C1C91C49-369F-DF11-98FF-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA

Or a bit cheaper if you buy them separately using the older Black and Decker monitor (used to be a B&D product) before Blue line expanded on it with the WiFi bridge:

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-EM100B-Energy-Monitor/dp/B001ELJKLE

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=blue+line+innovations&hl=en&rlz=1C1SNNT_enUS376US376&prmd=ivns&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=6853786445971539602&ei=rjwrTZHSBIHGsAPZt4XFCA&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CGcQ8wIwAg#

Total price is then about $175 (about a hundred cheaper).

Initially I think this was only supported by Microsoft Hohm but its now also supported by Google powermeter and there’s now an API to interface with the WiFi bridge (or perhaps directly with the data on the Hohm site somehow)

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You know, I almost wish projects like these would be left to the community to integrate… that would give the MCV folks to focus on the core functionality of Vera, and ensure that these projects are completed while the products are still popular. I think the discussions on ted5000 support started over a year ago.

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I have been anxiously awaiting ONE of these solutions to work properly for the past year or so!

Sad that such promising products never get off the experimental stage for real production use.

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[quote=“strangely, post:17, topic:165335”]Or a bit cheaper if you buy them separately using the older Black and Decker monitor (used to be a B&D product) before Blue line expanded on it with the WiFi bridge:

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-EM100B-Energy-Monitor/dp/B001ELJKLE[/quote]

FYI, B&D sells their energy monitor for $20:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330515855530+