They are rootable. Just a different procedure. You have to open it up and ground some pins. I think it is posted over on XDA developers.
Does it work with the MicroHub or only the full size?
If by “micro hub” you mean link hub then don’t waste your time. That only has zigbee and really only does link bulbs. That isn’t really much hardware to root.
Anyone else having a problem upgrading to b58? I see that there may be an issue with long device names but I’m not seeing any device names that would be causing a problem. Anywho, after uploading the latest L_Wink_Hub1.lua everything worked briefly (dimmers were identified correctly) then on a a reload I’m left with this: http://d.pr/i/1jnEK. I’ve tried reloading multiple times and done a hard reset as well. No luck.
Thanks for the help!
[quote=“adamfox, post:404, topic:185289”]Anyone else having a problem upgrading to b58? I see that there may be an issue with long device names but I’m not seeing any device names that would be causing a problem. Anywho, after uploading the latest L_Wink_Hub1.lua everything worked briefly (dimmers were identified correctly) then on a a reload I’m left with this: http://d.pr/i/1jnEK. I’ve tried reloading multiple times and done a hard reset as well. No luck.
Thanks for the help![/quote]
I need more information… logs would be good…
It looks like you may have installed the plugin from the “install apps” page, then updated with the latest lua file… you need to incrimentally upgrade through all the intermediate releases, otherwise you end up with missing/mismatched json files…
That was it. Thanks! Missed the Pico remote update from a while back. Thanks yet again and sorry to bother!
Here is another quick update (v0.18b62) to further refine device processing with the recent Wink API data changes.
cybr,
I’m getting my Wink on Friday 
looks like post #1 hasn’t been updated in a month. Can you post the most recent beta ‘package’ ?
thx
cybr,
I’m getting my Wink on Friday
looks like post #1 hasn’t been updated in a month. Can you post the most recent beta ‘package’ ?
thx[/quote]
Did you get it? Rooted yet? I think I read that we can root the updated hubs by shorting pins inside or something; I need to look into that because I’d prefer local control and ditching the wink cloud service as much as possible. The hub, itself, might be decent hardware but the app and service/support are horrible.
I won’t buy another product that requires the wink app. They also have questionable business practices so I’m over the whole quirky/wink deal, personally.
cybr,
I’m getting my Wink on Friday
looks like post #1 hasn’t been updated in a month. Can you post the most recent beta ‘package’ ?
thx[/quote]
Did you get it? Rooted yet? I think I read that we can root the updated hubs by shorting pins inside or something; I need to look into that because I’d prefer local control and ditching the wink cloud service as much as possible. The hub, itself, might be decent hardware but the app and service/support are horrible.
I won’t buy another product that requires the wink app. They also have questionable business practices so I’m over the whole quirky/wink deal, personally.[/quote]
I’ll WILL be rooting it… it has not arrived yet, I’m pissed - I gave the guy a pre-paid overnight fedex label. Now I won’t get it until Wed!
[quote=“holeyman, post:409, topic:185289”]Did you get it? Rooted yet? I think I read that we can root the updated hubs by shorting pins inside or something; I need to look into that because I’d prefer local control and ditching the wink cloud service as much as possible. The hub, itself, might be decent hardware but the app and service/support are horrible.
I won’t buy another product that requires the wink app. They also have questionable business practices so I’m over the whole quirky/wink deal, personally.[/quote]
Curious about what you perceive as questionable business practices?
[quote=“FOCGreeN, post:411, topic:185289”][quote=“holeyman, post:409, topic:185289”]Did you get it? Rooted yet? I think I read that we can root the updated hubs by shorting pins inside or something; I need to look into that because I’d prefer local control and ditching the wink cloud service as much as possible. The hub, itself, might be decent hardware but the app and service/support are horrible.
I won’t buy another product that requires the wink app. They also have questionable business practices so I’m over the whole quirky/wink deal, personally.[/quote]
Curious about what you perceive as questionable business practices?[/quote]
At least as far back as December (maybe longer) they sold a garage door opener on their website that wasn’t even in production without warning customers that it was preorder/not in stock until after checkout where, at the very bottom was an “est ship date” that has been extended several times and I’m not sure they’re even shipping to the public now. So, by being deceptive, they tricked “customers” into loaning them money.
How about how they intentionally make their app support quirky (they own wink) zwave sensors that they sell but not the cheaper brands that have the same functions.
I’d say that’s questionable. 
[quote=“holeyman, post:412, topic:185289”][quote=“FOCGreeN, post:411, topic:185289”][quote=“holeyman, post:409, topic:185289”]Did you get it? Rooted yet? I think I read that we can root the updated hubs by shorting pins inside or something; I need to look into that because I’d prefer local control and ditching the wink cloud service as much as possible. The hub, itself, might be decent hardware but the app and service/support are horrible.
I won’t buy another product that requires the wink app. They also have questionable business practices so I’m over the whole quirky/wink deal, personally.[/quote]
Curious about what you perceive as questionable business practices?[/quote]
At least as far back as December (maybe longer) they sold a garage door opener on their website that wasn’t even in production without warning customers that it was preorder/not in stock until after checkout where, at the very bottom was an “est ship date” that has been extended several times and I’m not sure they’re even shipping to the public now. So, by being deceptive, they tricked “customers” into loaning them money.
How about how they intentionally make their app support quirky (they own wink) zwave sensors that they sell but not the cheaper brands that have the same functions.
I’d say that’s questionable. ;)[/quote]
Amazon does the same thing. Depending if the item is an Amazon fulfilled item or not determines if the item is charged before it is shipped. I have an Ascend from the beta testing program. Ascends started shipping last week to fulfill customer orders.
I’m not sure you really understand what Wink is suppose to be. Wink is suppose to be HA for the masses. Not all Z-wave devices are compatible. Z-wave generic profile switches do work. Wink invites every manufacturer to join their partner program by submitting an application. Aeon Labs has submitted and application for example. Wink will never be like Vera or SmatThings where the end user can take a look under the hood and tinker around to get other devices to work or do any development on their own inside the platform.
Local control is in the works. Ben the Quirky CEO and Wink’s social media accounts have all said this. Ben has even told me this personally. I think is pretty cool that I can have conversations with the CEO about the product. He even told me a Wink Hub costs them $56 to manufacture and they take a loss on every hub.
I think their logistics fulfilling orders can be much improved which includes communication on pre-orders. It has been terrible over last month because they have been overwhelmed with the Winkapoclypse last month. I have been very impressed with their progress over the last year. The product has a lot of upside. It will never have the capability of Vera but it isn’t meant to. Just have to remember the product is meant to be HA for the masses.
Anyone see the ability to add zigbee devices in the last vera firmware update? I saw that Vera showed up to CES with a zigbee controller. I am hoping there will be a zigbee USB dongle sometime. Zigbee HA 2.0 has made it possible for Vera go forward with zigbee. With all the zigbee stack iterations it is really tough to want to jump into zigbee but the cost of devices has made it attractive.
Do you work for one of them?
That’s no excuse; I don’t care what amazon does (and they tell you when what ships and when BEFORE checkout, it’s still shady to not tell the people buying stuff that it’s not in stock until after you buy it. It might even be illegal in my state. So, over 7 months they ripped people off. How many would have checked out if the ascend said “not in production- ships in 7-8 months- thanks for the loan” instead?
“HA for the masses” should include more sensors than the handful that the company sells. They claim on the site that they support thousands of zwave devices because it’s a standard. They don’t. I gave them a list of zwave sensors (including aeon labs) that didn’t work (also in December) they said that’d be fixed in the next update (7 months ago) but, if course, it wasn’t. They’re dishonest. They’re scummy and they can’t be trusted.
I don’t care what they “say” is in the works because they lie. They said my zwave sensors would work 7 months ago - lie; they said the ascend was in stock (they didn’t say it wasn’t) 7 months ago - lie. I don’t trust them one bit. Their joke of a 3rd world twitter support system is pathetic; the so-called engineers changed the android requirements without telling people they couldn’t upgrade the app anymore if they had older android and when asked the support took several days to figure it out. The support people asked which phone/android version several times over twitter because there’s no easy way to keep track of tickets, etc over twitter.
I’m not talking about fulfilling orders from last month, I’m talking about from last year. Winkaggedon had nothing to do with it.
Once Vera supports the zigbee GE link bulbs I can get rid of everything wink/quirky.
The whole company, both quirky and wink, is a joke.
You already can if you really want to.
Option 1. The Wink Connect plugin is said to also be able to control the GE Link hub (which is basically zigbee only Wink)
Option 2. Get a Philips Hue hub (eg of Fleabay) and use the HUE plugin to control your GE Link bulb’s via that hub.
KNOCK IT OFF!!!
People in this thread have a Vera Controller…
People in this thread have a Wink Account…
People in this thread want to expand their Vera Controller to be able to control the devices attached to their Wink Account…
That is the sole reason for the existance of this thread!!!
This is not the place for Wink/Quirky bashing!!!
If you have an issue/question/comment relating to THE PLUGIN, this is the place…
If you wish to express your opinion about Quirky/Wink (the company) and have a discussion about it, then please create your own thread!!
You already can if you really want to.
Option 1. The Wink Connect plugin is said to also be able to control the GE Link hub (which is basically zigbee only Wink)
Option 2. Get a Philips Hue hub (eg of Fleabay) and use the HUE plugin to control your GE Link bulb’s via that hub.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve considered #2 but since I already have my hub I’ll wait for the usb zigbee dongle or the next “Vera Z-Edge” controller before I use the hub as a target.
When rooted the hub might be worth keeping but I want to avoid the wink app and cloud.
[quote=“cybrmage, post:416, topic:185289”]KNOCK IT OFF!!!
People in this thread have a Vera Controller…
People in this thread have a Wink Account…
People in this thread want to expand their Vera Controller to be able to control the devices attached to their Wink Account…
That is the sole reason for the existance of this thread!!!
This is not the place for Wink/Quirky bashing!!!
If you have an issue/question/comment relating to THE PLUGIN, this is the place…
If you wish to express your opinion about Quirky/Wink (the company) and have a discussion about it, then please create your own thread!![/quote]
I didn’t realize talking about wink and vera was out of bounds. One of the reasons I have Vera, at all, is because the wink app/servce/company is so bad so what’s wrong with saying so? Clearly I have both too.
[quote=“holeyman, post:414, topic:185289”]Do you work for one of them?
That’s no excuse; I don’t care what amazon does (and they tell you when what ships and when BEFORE checkout, it’s still shady to not tell the people buying stuff that it’s not in stock until after you buy it. It might even be illegal in my state. So, over 7 months they ripped people off. How many would have checked out if the ascend said “not in production- ships in 7-8 months- thanks for the loan” instead?
“HA for the masses” should include more sensors than the handful that the company sells. They claim on the site that they support thousands of zwave devices because it’s a standard. They don’t. I gave them a list of zwave sensors (including aeon labs) that didn’t work (also in December) they said that’d be fixed in the next update (7 months ago) but, if course, it wasn’t. They’re dishonest. They’re scummy and they can’t be trusted.
I don’t care what they “say” is in the works because they lie. They said my zwave sensors would work 7 months ago - lie; they said the ascend was in stock (they didn’t say it wasn’t) 7 months ago - lie. I don’t trust them one bit. Their joke of a 3rd world twitter support system is pathetic; the so-called engineers changed the android requirements without telling people they couldn’t upgrade the app anymore if they had older android and when asked the support took several days to figure it out. The support people asked which phone/android version several times over twitter because there’s no easy way to keep track of tickets, etc over twitter.
I’m not talking about fulfilling orders from last month, I’m talking about from last year. Winkaggedon had nothing to do with it.
Once Vera supports the zigbee GE link bulbs I can get rid of everything wink/quirky.
The whole company, both quirky and wink, is a joke.[/quote]
HA for the masses means everything that they say is compatible IS compatible. They have a partnership program to help guarantee compatibility and the device manufacturers can use compatibility as a selling point. I’m sorry that motion sensor outside of what they say will work don’t work generically. Don’t be surprised that something that you buy that isn’t on Wink’s site as working doesn’t work. Not wink’s fault. There are some monoprice motions that do work with wink. Don’t bother about preaching about the whole Z-wave compatibility thing. Many z-wave devices aren’t compatible with Vera but we make them work because we have root access to out devices.
I don’t work for Quirky or any of the other HA people. It doesn’t sound like wink is a product for you. Many of us use wink as a cheap Zigbee/Lutron gateway. It is very rare that I will buy something pre-release unless I anticipate the product being difficult to get. Buy a pre-release product is a choice we all make with the possibility it may be delayed or not sold. You are buying a place in line. A call to customer service should cancel that order at any time.
Vera (Mi Casa Verde) started at the opposite user spectrum and wasn’t very user friendly. UI7 has been a step in the direction of being more user friendly for most users.
You already can if you really want to.
Option 1. The Wink Connect plugin is said to also be able to control the GE Link hub (which is basically zigbee only Wink)
Option 2. Get a Philips Hue hub (eg of Fleabay) and use the HUE plugin to control your GE Link bulb’s via that hub.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve considered #2 but since I already have my hub I’ll wait for the usb zigbee dongle or the next “Vera Z-Edge” controller before I use the hub as a target.
When rooted the hub might be worth keeping but I want to avoid the wink app and cloud.[/quote]
I don’t think the GE Link bulbs are worth it. They have limited uses. I like to use them in lamps that I don’t really use and have them triggered by an open window sensor for security purposes. People really underestimate physical switches. Pulling out the phone to turn on a light takes too much time.