Has anyone actually tested these? i have some led bulbs that I can’t get to work very well with the fibaro dimmers
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Just could not refuse buying one and have a look at it.
I ordered the dimmer and it is very similar to the Fibaro dimmer. Physically the size is the same even if they claim its the smallest one. It can handle 200 W and that is less than Fibaro but probably ok for the most users. Interestingly it can also handle 24 to 30 V DC also so it might be usable for low voltage LED lamps. I might test it on 12 V DC to find out if that works as well.
It has the possibility to connect three switches. When I installed it on my Vera3 the first input was configured as a normal dimmer, input 2 and 3 was detected as motion sensors with Arm and Bypass. Did not have time to connect anything to it right now but my guess is that it will be easy to use input 2 and 3 to control scenes (for example). Probably a bit easier than using the S2 input in the Fibaro to do what you need?
There was not much information about the input for the temperature sensor (actually nothing at all). It would be interesting to find out how they manage the electrical safety for the sensor. The question is if it is electrically separated from the mains voltage.
The company is based in Slovenia (yes, in Europe) and you can download the manual on www.qubino.com
Enclosed some pics so you can compare their design to Fibaros.
Thanks Leif!
Have you had a chance to try it with 230V LED spotlights or something like that? I’m curious if it will be able to dim these without any flickering - and how low it can go.
[quote=“vidarak, post:23, topic:181252”]Thanks Leif!
Have you had a chance to try it with 230V LED spotlights or something like that? I’m curious if it will be able to dim these without any flickering - and how low it can go.[/quote]
I will try to play with it during the weekend and post the result. However LED lamps are still not a mature product. They are continuously improved and different designs behaves differently so the result varies a lot depending on the actual type of LED lamp as well as the brand.
[quote=“Leifgg, post:24, topic:181252”][quote=“vidarak, post:23, topic:181252”]Thanks Leif!
Have you had a chance to try it with 230V LED spotlights or something like that? I’m curious if it will be able to dim these without any flickering - and how low it can go.[/quote]
I will try to play with it during the weekend and post the result. However LED lamps are still not a mature product. They are continuously improved and different designs behaves differently so the result varies a lot depending on the actual type of LED lamp as well as the brand.[/quote]
So I made some testing. Looked on both the Fibaro and the Qubino dimmer.
I did compare the both of them with a normal 60 W lamp as well as a 7 W dimmable LED.
Comparing picture Fibaro Normal lamp 50 and Qubino Normal lamp 50 it looks like these two dimmers are using different technology. The Fibaro is a leading edge dimmer and the Qubino is a trailing edge dimmer. BTW, dimming level was set to 50 % for both. The two other pictures shows both of them with a LED lamp.
What you see on the pictures is the actual current flowing through the dimmer. Note that the LED lamps is not a nice load for the dimmers to handle. The more I dim the LED lamp the current spikes gets higher and shorter. This is probably why dimmers have lower power rating when using LED lamps. Actually it is not the power killing the dimmers, its the high current spikes.
Both dimmers hade a neutral wire connected when I did my tests. Also tested the Fibaro without a neutral wire but that did not work with the 7 W LED lamp (as expected). However adding a Fibaro bypass solves that problem.
Both dimmers handled the LED lamp that I used perfectly however I have seen that sometimes that it is necessary to adjust parameter 20 on the Fibaro dimmer to get it to work without flicker.
I chose not to dim below 10 % because in my personal opinion there is no need. I even would consider setting the parameters for the dimmers to have 10 % as minimum dimming level.
Once again, the result will probably depend on the type of (dimmable) LED lamp that is used.
Excellent! Thanks again. I think I’ll have to get these dimmers for my LED spots. I’ve adjusted parameter 20 on the Fibaro (which I use now) but depending on dimmer level of several other old type halogen spot dimmers in other rooms they will flicker anyway at times.
Good luck! Pls. let us know how it works for you.
Comparing picture Fibaro Normal lamp 50 and Qubino Normal lamp 50 it looks like these two dimmers are using different technology. The Fibaro is a leading edge dimmer and the Qubino is a trailing edge dimmer. BTW, dimming level was set to 50 % for both. The two other pictures shows both of them with a LED lamp.
Hi Leifgg, thanks for the example. Just two simple doubts. What does it mean to be a trailing edge dimmer (good or bad)? How was the quality and did the qubino work ok?
thanks again.
[quote=“gonzalogatica, post:28, topic:181252”]
Comparing picture Fibaro Normal lamp 50 and Qubino Normal lamp 50 it looks like these two dimmers are using different technology. The Fibaro is a leading edge dimmer and the Qubino is a trailing edge dimmer. BTW, dimming level was set to 50 % for both. The two other pictures shows both of them with a LED lamp.
Hi Leifgg, thanks for the example. Just two simple doubts. What does it mean to be a trailing edge dimmer (good or bad)? How was the quality and did the qubino work ok?
thanks again.[/quote]
It is just two different technologies to do the dimming and it is not a matter of good and bad. It is more like that you need to select a dimmer that is suitable for the load (or wise versa).
Some suppliers of LED lamps as well as transformers for low voltage LED lamps will be able to tell what type of dimmer that is best to use but in most cases you need to try it out yourself to see what is working. Google will give you some guidance but also a lot of conflicting advices!
The Qubino looks like a good device and it has been working for me however I only done some testing of it for a few hours so take it for what it is.
The Qubino and the Fibaro has different features as well (besides being a basic dimmer) so that might be important as well.
Some more testing of the Qubino dimmer.
Trigger scenes:
All inputs (I1, I2 and I3) can be used to trigger scenes (and it is simple to do it).
I1, the options are:
If a device is turned on or off
Device energy usage for last 24 hours goes above (not tested)
Device energy usage for last 30 days goes above (not tested)
Device energy usage for last year goes above (not tested)
I2 and I3, the options are:
A sensor (door/window/motion/etc.) is tripped
An armed sensor is tripped
Battery level goes below (not tested, not applicable)
The two motions sensors can be Armed or set to Bypass from a scene (or some code).
Associated groups:
Following tests was done by associating a Fibaro dimmer.
Group 1 is input I1
Associating this to a dimmer works but the associated device will not update its setting until you release the button.
Group 2 is input I2 and 3 is input I3.
If these are associated to a dimmer then you will only be able to switch the dimmer on and off (not control dimming). The I2 and I3 switch is used as a normal on/off switch, not a toggle switch.
Associations must be set on the master device, not the Motion sensor devices.
Leif, how do you trigger scenes? It’s ok to trigger 1 scene but I would want I2 to flip between scenes and i find it difficult to do so because the properties of the dimmer doesn’t seem to update as it changes dimming level. I’m trying simple PLEG conditions.
Also a little update from testing with 13x 4W Philips LEDs; when diming below 20% (which is quite a lot of light still) the light is somewhat pulsating. It never flickers though.
Greetings!
I just purchased a couple of Qubino switches. They included fairly easily with my vera-lite UI5, showing up as appliance modules. But where are the inputs. If I configure I1 to control the relay, that’s fine, works as expected. But what can I do with the other two inputs?
And how do I get to them? There was nothing (that I could find) on the device page, and I could not find any documentation other than the one page installation manual that came with the switches. Is there any additional documentation?
I hope it is something simple that I am missing…
Thanks!
[quote=“schenkl, post:32, topic:181252”]Greetings!
I just purchased a couple of Qubino switches. They included fairly easily with my vera-lite UI5, showing up as appliance modules. But where are the inputs. If I configure I1 to control the relay, that’s fine, works as expected. But what can I do with the other two inputs?
And how do I get to them? There was nothing (that I could find) on the device page, and I could not find any documentation other than the one page installation manual that came with the switches. Is there any additional documentation?
I hope it is something simple that I am missing…
Thanks![/quote]
I have only tested the dimmer but I would guess that I2 and I3 input works similar for the switch module. Did you only get a normal switch (BinaryLight) in Vera? Since I used the dimmer (DimmableLight) I got that and two motion sensors and I would expect that you should get those as well.
Try to make a scene and go to Triggers and see if you can find the device ID in the list.
[quote=“Leifgg, post:33, topic:181252”][quote=“schenkl, post:32, topic:181252”]Greetings!
I just purchased a couple of Qubino switches. They included fairly easily with my vera-lite UI5, showing up as appliance modules. But where are the inputs. If I configure I1 to control the relay, that’s fine, works as expected. But what can I do with the other two inputs?
And how do I get to them? There was nothing (that I could find) on the device page, and I could not find any documentation other than the one page installation manual that came with the switches. Is there any additional documentation?
I hope it is something simple that I am missing…
Thanks![/quote]
I have only tested the dimmer but I would guess that I2 and I3 input works similar for the switch module. Did you only get a normal switch (BinaryLight) in Vera? Since I used the dimmer (DimmableLight) I got that and two motion sensors and I would expect that you should get those as well.
Try to make a scene and go to Triggers and see if you can find the device ID in the list.[/quote]
I’ve recently got one of their single relay switches alongside a dimmer i already have from them. I’m not sure what problem schenkl had with setting up the inputs but single relay switch works exactly like their dimmer. You just wire up the neutral wire to I1,I2,I3. Then pressing the switch connected to I1 will, by default, turn the output on. Pressing I2 and I3 switches makes the two binary sensor devices that show up along with the main device (dimmable light or appliance module in the case of a single relay switch) appear as a tripped motion sensor.
Arm or Disarm doesn’t seem to make a difference on how the module works, they can be useful in a scene though. If you add conditions for the “sensors” to be armed/disarmed you can end up with 4 scene combinations triggerrable with just two buttons, depending on what you set on UI5.
I’ve noticed that when you include devices that have child devices my vera lite tends to need two reboots. After the first one it shows the main module, then configures it, then reboots again, shows 2 new “motion sensors” that correspond to inputs I2 and I3 and configures them all again.
If you’r having trouble with input devices showing up try doing a “Configure node right now” in the main device’s settings menu. This should force vera lite to re-interview the device and create the devices.
[quote=“maomanna, post:15, topic:181252”]Looking nice!
but only big disadventage, which is the output.
they can handle till 2300watt.
The Fibaro single relay goes till 3000watt
I would like to see modules which can go to 3500watts
(16A * 230v)[/quote]
If you are using over 10A on your Fibaro switches you better see this topic here:
[url=http://www.elsakerhetsverket.se/sv/Produktsakerhet/Forsaljningsforbud/Stromstallare-och-dimmer-far-forsaljningsforbud/]http://www.elsakerhetsverket.se/sv/Produktsakerhet/Forsaljningsforbud/Stromstallare-och-dimmer-far-forsaljningsforbud/[/url]
[Don’t forget to use google translate if your swedish isn’t up to par:) ]
They look nice and small.
I’ll wait until Mark at Vesternet has tested them before trying one, but my problem is the backboxes on my house are really thin, and the walls are solid so putting new backboxes in will be a real pain.
My lighting backboxes are too small for LightwaveRF or Fibaro, so probably these won’t fit either.
[quote=“Nublet, post:35, topic:181252”]If you are using over 10A on your Fibaro switches you better see this topic here:
[url=http://www.elsakerhetsverket.se/sv/Produktsakerhet/Forsaljningsforbud/Stromstallare-och-dimmer-far-forsaljningsforbud/]http://www.elsakerhetsverket.se/sv/Produktsakerhet/Forsaljningsforbud/Stromstallare-och-dimmer-far-forsaljningsforbud/[/url]
[Don’t forget to use google translate if your swedish isn’t up to par:) ][/quote]
I was told similar, other EU countries are apparently looking at the safety aspect as well.
If in doubt ask for the IEC Certification.
If you have any questions for Qubino, please do not hesitate and contact us on info@qubino.com.
do you plan to produce US-versions of your devices any time soon?
Hello “capjay”. We have version with US frequnce ready.