Looks like Fibaro might have a new competitor
They look good. Being in the UK, I wished someone would develop something like that without the need for a neutral connection… so far I have only seen dimmers available without the neutral, and in none of my light switches are neutral connections…
[quote=“hek”]Looks like Fibaro might have a new competitor
Worth looking into for sure
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We have some on order from Qubino for testing. We should have them next week and can then report back on how they perform.
I agree with your comments on the neutral, it will limit the market for these as neutral at the switch has been pretty rare so far.
I can understand why they’ve had to use neutral though. The dimmers are using MOSFET rather than Triac, and are designed to work with ALL bulbs (we’ll see how this really works). But to do this they needed the neutral to ‘tie’ the dimmer to a zero cross-over point that’s not possible in a 2-wire system.
They have a document that shows they’ve tested the devices with VERA and they work. So hopefully testing will be easy 
Mark
Vesternet
Watching their installation video, I am astonished by the tiny size of the switches. The double switch installation, shown in the video, looks to be smaller that a single gang American switch installation.
A few observations.
They are astonishingly small. they make the Aeon Labs units look large
I’m not familiar with European electrical wiring but the switches/boxes appear much smaller than the equivalent North American practice. In the video they appear to have had two switches in a round box only slightly larger than a NA single gang box.
The requirement for a neutral won’t be much of a problem in NA, as far as I know almost all residential wiring codes in the past 40-50 years have provided a neutral.
Interesting little device, now they need to bring them to NA in 120v 60Hz
I think it was more recent than that. My house is less than 40 years old (not by much…around 36 years old) and while there are some switches with neutrals, for the most part for lights, all power was run to the light with 1 2-wire run back to the switch (using the black and white for the switch). Because of this, I am rewiring switches as I find them and need to in order to use the switches.
I do believe that as of today it is code everywhere to have a neutral in a box, but I don’t think it was until the 80s that it started to become common (I could be completely mistaken on that, I just base it on my experiences, reading forums, and talking to people).
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I think it was more recent than that. My house is less than 40 years old (not by much…around 36 years old) and while there are some switches with neutrals, for the most part for lights, all power was run to the light with 1 2-wire run back to the switch (using the black and white for the switch). Because of this, I am rewiring switches as I find them and need to in order to use the switches.
I do believe that as of today it is code everywhere to have a neutral in a box, but I don’t think it was until the 80s that it started to become common (I could be completely mistaken on that, I just base it on my experiences, reading forums, and talking to people).[/quote]
You could be right, this house was built in 1976 and has a neutral in every box. But that could have been an early implementation of the electrical code. But I think is is safe to say tht just about all residential wiring since the late 80’s will have a neutral.
Your mileage may vary, some assembly required, batteries not included
Thanks for highlighting these–they look great! I contacted the company–looks like US release is slated for end of the year.
It will be interesting to see how much they cost when they come on the market
I have seen similar prices as for the Fibaro devices in Switzerland.
[quote=“clippermiami, post:9, topic:181252”]You could be right, this house was built in 1976 and has a neutral in every box. But that could have been an early implementation of the electrical code. But I think is is safe to say tht just about all residential wiring since the late 80’s will have a neutral.
Your mileage may vary, some assembly required, batteries not included :)[/quote]
I think you are off by a decade or so. My house was built around '97 and uses loop wiring (single 2-wire cable carrying hot to the switch and switched hot back to the light fixture) to all the switches. No neutrals in any of the switch boxes.
Yes, it is code today to have a neutral in every box, but I think it’s safe to guess that the overwhelming majority of existing homes in America do not have neutrals in the switch boxes.
[quote=“ufd108, post:13, topic:181252”][quote=“clippermiami, post:9, topic:181252”]You could be right, this house was built in 1976 and has a neutral in every box. But that could have been an early implementation of the electrical code. But I think is is safe to say tht just about all residential wiring since the late 80’s will have a neutral.
Your mileage may vary, some assembly required, batteries not included :)[/quote]
I think you are off by a decade or so. My house was built around '97 and uses loop wiring (single 2-wire cable carrying hot to the switch and switched hot back to the light fixture) to all the switches. No neutrals in any of the switch boxes.
Yes, it is code today to have a neutral in every box, but I think it’s safe to guess that the overwhelming majority of existing homes in America do not have neutrals in the switch boxes.[/quote]
Maybe a function of local codes.
Looking nice!
but only big disadventage, which is the output.
they can handle till 2300watt.
The Fibaro single relay goes till 3000watt
I would like to see modules which can go to 3500watts
(16A * 230v)
I love the fact that is has 3 input!!! I can now control one light, one floor lamp and the LED behind the TV with one device only.
@monions Mark let us know if you will sell them at Vesternet, I will be your first Customer for sure!
[quote=“peppemon, post:16, topic:181252”]I love the fact that is has 3 input!!! I can now control one light, one floor lamp and the LED behind the TV with one device only.
@monions Mark let us know if you will sell them at Vesternet, I will be your first Customer for sure![/quote]
which device has 3 inputs? I just saw 2 inputs (Flush 2 Relays)…
Flush 1 Relays has 3 inputs.
These devices look great on all technical specs except output!
Especially for dimming LED they must be much better than Fibaro.
- Mosfet dimmer works properly with LED (and other light sources) producing less noise
- Temp Sensor
- 3 inputs
- Energy monitor
- size
Any suggestions on where to buy them cheapest?
Glad to see it because Fibraro is a no-op in my mind, at least in the US. I reached out to them several times to purchase the US version of their products. Received a call from Scott Calacci in Sales serving up nothing more than mis-information how the products would ship within a week. Talked to him the following week and more hogwash about how he was just on a call with the product team and would call me back but never did. All of this transpired over a 6 week period.
This is not the type of company with which you, or at least I, want to do business.
Best,
Bruce