Firmware update 7.0.14 (7.0.15 beta it became and then 7.0.15)

There was Andrei, but we haven’t heard from him in awhile. So I think it’s just Marc and 5 VPs/C[I|E|T]O he reports to http://getvera.com/about-us/team/

PS That’s why every time Marc has to chime in here or on Facebook, 2 more bugs are not being fixed :slight_smile:

An average developer could fix 5 to 10 bugs in 2 weeks.
Only if you assume that average developer is a perfectly elastic spherical cow moving through a vacuum :)
Not sure why it takes more than 6 months for Vera Control to release a firmware. They should hire Richard (the owner of Veralaert and PLEG) to be they lead architect :'( :'( :'(
Couldn't agree more. They should hire more developers and finally release something. Expectations are getting too high and this is a bad thing (unless they intent to surprise us with UI10 that has all the requested features and no bugs).

There was Andrei, but we haven’t heard from him in awhile. So I think it’s just Marc and 5 VPs/C[I|E|T]O he reports to http://getvera.com/about-us/team/

PS That’s why every time Marc has to chime in here or on Facebook, 2 more bugs are not being fixed :)[/quote]

having taken a look a the staffing at mios.
it’ seems half of them are in romania.
other are probably scattered about and a few in cali.
many of the folks seem to have other jobs or be part of other business ventures.

The thought that this a company with offices and groups of developers working together, white boards full of code, etc.
probably not the case.

There’s some life here : Facebook (but no firmware :slight_smile: )

UI8??? Seriously???
They can’t get a patch released to make UI7 work but they have UI8 as the next step on the roadmap?
Shoot me now.

And under UI7 the have “not so complicated” as the descriptor. Wow!!

(Boy the Karma bashers are going to slaughter me for this post ) :slight_smile:
That’s OK, i go around APPLAUDing the heck out of everyone every chance i get just to offset those people that SMITE anyone who dares to criticize…

Judging by their Facebook page, they are doing a lot more extracurricular activities than work… lol

Looks more like my neighborhood association Facebook page than a business.

Anyway, back on topic: looking forward to the next release. Hope it fixes lots of bugs.

UI8??? Seriously???
They can’t get a patch released to make UI7 work but they have UI8 as the next step on the roadmap?
Shoot me now.

And under UI7 the have “not so complicated” as the descriptor. Wow!![/quote]
Well 8 does come after 7… it doesn’t say WHEN UI8 will come out…

[quote=“Marc Shenker, post:95, topic:192320”][quote=“kornev, post:92, topic:192320”]Marc has a hard limit of 3 replies per single thread. So I suggest to start a new one if anyone wants to hear about big internal changes, regular release schedule and beta firmware expected by the end of month… yet again.

PS. This is getting hilarious! ;D[/quote]

Kornev, have you been reading our private forum rules of engagement book? LOL.

When I have something of value to add, I do, but when I have nothing of value to add, I keep quiet.

We are as eager for the next release as all of you are. When it is ready it will be released.[/quote]

So Marc, things are heated up at vera? Next release around the corner? End of next month? Eager? How eager? Hard to keep faith in Vera…

YOU are Vera! I think you are very brave to response. +1 for that.

-1000 for how Vera treats it’s customers, it’s loyal users and all loyal beta testers (release never left beta, UI2 to UI7).

Vera, say what you do and do what you say.

Most software developers know that longer does not mean better. It just makes the company feel good as they have not broken any existing features in the last six months :))

I would love to work for Vera Control. They must have enjoyed the last 6 months :slight_smile:

OK, I looked through Vera and Mios company profiles to figure out their employment situation and noticed something very disturbing.

On linkedin, they seem to pad their employment numbers for Vera by creating fake accounts. Ouch. That’s pitiful. Here’s their company page that shows 32 employees on linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mi-casa-verde
They list themselves as having 50-200 employees, and apparently 32 employees on linkedin. When you click to see their employees, you get pages of empty, fake accounts with 0 connections listed. No names, details or connections.

I know that Vera is just a subsidiary of MiOS and all the employees are actually working for MiOS, but come on.

If you look at MiOS employment, you can see that their entire development team is in Romania (with a couple people in Colombia and France). San Francisco office seems to have a handful of people mostly in business (executives and office folk like accounting, etc.) The company headquarters is listed as Hong Kong but I am guessing they just have a local agent there, and not a real office.

MiOS’s business plan is to beta test the hub and the software through Vera, and license the stable version to commercial businesses. Looking at the MiOS website, it doesn’t seem like their plan worked well so far. The biggest licensees listed include among others Vera/MiCasaVerde (duh) and a company called TrickTV, whose Director of Product Marketing is listed as Colin Burke McClure, who now happens to be an employee of MiOS (Product Development Director).

It looks like this company had a lot of potential back in 2008-2011 when they were leading the charge in automation. However, fast forward to 2016, they ran out of steam, they are no longer the hot startup, their commercial business does not seem to have led to anything substantial (a few commercial clients, maybe some ongoing consulting fees) and on the consumer side, they are falling way behind the new competitors like Smartthings, Wink, etc. who are now the hot startups.

The hardware is underwhelming, they are using old router equipment still (MIPS architecture), when there are much better arm based alternatives that are faster and cheaper. Their software is based on OpenWRT (router software, really), which made sense in 2008 when it was the best they had and it worked with their router based equipment.

At some point in the last few years, they should have made the switch to a different hardware and software platform, but instead they stuck with this platform where the years of band-aiding is no longer working.

I’m using a Veralite with UI5. With my existing equipment, everything works (I’m not touching it at all). I’ll keep this setup until I add a new equipment that is not compatible with Veralite or UI5, and then I’ll switch to a different platform.

Oh and by the way, a couple people joked that Marc is the only employee at Vera. That seems to technically be true. All others are with MiOS, but Marc is with Vera. And Marc is not a developer, he is the Sr. Manager of Community Relations, so it’s his job to connect with the community on the forums. He also seems to have his own sales/marketing consulting firm called MCS Performance Group (I think it’s safe to assume MCS are his initials) and he was hired by Vera back in 2012 as a consultant. Not sure if he is now full time with Vera or on as a contractor. Here’s his linkedin page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcshenker

OMG Marc!

On your LinkedIn:

As a trainer I focus on increasing sales and reducing the need for technical support?!

Is this what you’re doing to me?

[quote=“Sender, post:110, topic:192320”]OMG Marc!

On your LinkedIn:

As a trainer I focus on increasing sales and reducing the need for technical support?!

Is this what you’re doing to me?[/quote]

I think Marc has done a good job in his training videos and documentation, far more than anyone else at Vera for years. Cheers to him for that. :slight_smile:

As for the rest of the company, I have tried to figure out what their road map looks like. It seems to me, another case where I tried to apply logic where there is none. When I gave up trying, I became much happier. ;D

[quote=“aptalca, post:109, topic:192320”]OK, I looked through Vera and Mios company profiles to figure out their employment situation and noticed something very disturbing.

On linkedin, they seem to pad their employment numbers for Vera by creating fake accounts. Ouch. That’s pitiful. Here’s their company page that shows 32 employees on linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mi-casa-verde
They list themselves as having 50-200 employees, and apparently 32 employees on linkedin. When you click to see their employees, you get pages of empty, fake accounts with 0 connections listed. No names, details or connections.

I know that Vera is just a subsidiary of MiOS and all the employees are actually working for MiOS, but come on.

If you look at MiOS employment, you can see that their entire development team is in Romania (with a couple people in Colombia and France). San Francisco office seems to have a handful of people mostly in business (executives and office folk like accounting, etc.) The company headquarters is listed as Hong Kong but I am guessing they just have a local agent there, and not a real office.

MiOS’s business plan is to beta test the hub and the software through Vera, and license the stable version to commercial businesses. Looking at the MiOS website, it doesn’t seem like their plan worked well so far. The biggest licensees listed include among others Vera/MiCasaVerde (duh) and a company called TrickTV, whose Director of Product Marketing is listed as Colin Burke McClure, who now happens to be an employee of MiOS (Product Development Director).

It looks like this company had a lot of potential back in 2008-2011 when they were leading the charge in automation. However, fast forward to 2016, they ran out of steam, they are no longer the hot startup, their commercial business does not seem to have led to anything substantial (a few commercial clients, maybe some ongoing consulting fees) and on the consumer side, they are falling way behind the new competitors like Smartthings, Wink, etc. who are now the hot startups.

The hardware is underwhelming, they are using old router equipment still (MIPS architecture), when there are much better arm based alternatives that are faster and cheaper. Their software is based on OpenWRT (router software, really), which made sense in 2008 when it was the best they had and it worked with their router based equipment.

At some point in the last few years, they should have made the switch to a different hardware and software platform, but instead they stuck with this platform where the years of band-aiding is no longer working.

I’m using a Veralite with UI5. With my existing equipment, everything works (I’m not touching it at all). I’ll keep this setup until I add a new equipment that is not compatible with Veralite or UI5, and then I’ll switch to a different platform.

Oh and by the way, a couple people joked that Marc is the only employee at Vera. That seems to technically be true. All others are with MiOS, but Marc is with Vera. And Marc is not a developer, he is the Sr. Manager of Community Relations, so it’s his job to connect with the community on the forums. He also seems to have his own sales/marketing consulting firm called MCS Performance Group (I think it’s safe to assume MCS are his initials) and he was hired by Vera back in 2012 as a consultant. Not sure if he is now full time with Vera or on as a contractor. Here’s his linkedin page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcshenker[/quote]

So what you’re saying is that MiOS and Vera are in fact front companies for the Romanian Mafia, and the global shipments of Vera’s are stuffed with unmarked US bills and drugs in the worlds largest Automation related money laundering/drug smuggling operation.

If this is my last post on the forum, then I’m on to something and they’ve found me… :-X

[quote=“BlueSmurf, post:112, topic:192320”]So what you’re saying is that MiOS and Vera are in fact front companies for the Romanian Mafia, and the global shipments of Vera’s are stuffed with unmarked US bills and drugs in the worlds largest Automation related money laundering/drug smuggling operation.

If this is my last post on the forum, then I’m on to something and they’ve found me… :-X[/quote]

Could you send me all your smart devices before they’ve found you? ;D ;D ;D

[quote=“aptalca, post:109, topic:192320”]It looks like this company had a lot of potential back in 2008-2011 when they were leading the charge in automation. However, fast forward to 2016, they ran out of steam, they are no longer the hot startup, their commercial business does not seem to have led to anything substantial (a few commercial clients, maybe some ongoing consulting fees) and on the consumer side, they are falling way behind the new competitors like Smartthings, Wink, etc. who are now the hot startups.

The hardware is underwhelming, they are using old router equipment still (MIPS architecture), when there are much better arm based alternatives that are faster and cheaper. Their software is based on OpenWRT (router software, really), which made sense in 2008 when it was the best they had and it worked with their router based equipment.

At some point in the last few years, they should have made the switch to a different hardware and software platform, but instead they stuck with this platform where the years of band-aiding is no longer working.[/quote]

I think wink filed for bankruptcy not to long ago, so not sure how “hot” of a start up they are.

I do agree completely about the hardware. I was shocked at the very minimal hardware that was in the vera plus. but i told myself, it’s not a game pc, as long as it works i’m okay.
and for the most part it has…
but really, a raspberry pi 3 is so much more and for $30
yet they want to sell the bare minimum for a premium. (i guess if you are just looking to cash in that is what you do)

For the love of God, when, what and how is the status and the arrival of this new illusive firmware? I hear what everyone is saying about the technical difficulties and understand it but if the customer is not put front and center and issues remains with the new hardware for over 3 to 6 months, without a single patch or upgrade, this is simply unacceptable. The idea of fixing all issues in a single patch or upgrade is simply ludicrous. What about incremental fixes or patches? I am sure not everyone will be pleased but at least some will as someone issues will be fixed hopefully in a patch.

That’s what I am saying: I would be super happy to have incremental small upgrades.
Again, do not care about new free features.
My VeraPlus was not able to get the right time on bootup. Of course without the right time, the automation is gone. After several days of troubleshooting I discovered that VeraPlus is missing a file with a list of time servers. I added a file present in my VeraLite and boom, issue solved.
http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Time_Syncronization

Now how hard it is to release a firmware with that file in it so that many other people do not experience the same?
How hard it is to add the Support for the Fibaro Motion sensor Gen 5?

There is no other words to say it, but this is a LACK OF RESPECT for your Customers, for your users that have spent money and time in your firm.

[quote=“peppemon, post:116, topic:192320”]That’s what I am saying: I would be super happy to have incremental small upgrades.
Again, do not care about new free features.
My VeraPlus was not able to get the right time on bootup. Of course without the right time, the automation is gone. After several days of troubleshooting I discovered that VeraPlus is missing a file with a list of time servers. I added a file present in my VeraLite and boom, issue solved.
http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Time_Syncronization

Now how hard it is to release a firmware with that file in it so that many other people do not experience the same?
How hard it is to add the Support for the Fibaro Motion sensor Gen 5?

There is no other words to say it, but this is a LACK OF RESPECT for your Customers, for your users that have spent money and time in your firm.[/quote]
From my experience with several domotica controlers, incrimental updates give a lot more problems, they are often rushed out solving 1, but creating others bugs.
Fibaro Homecenter works good if you only have z-wave
Homeseer is supposed to work ok, but expencive compared to others.
For me Vera works best with mixed protocols using Fibaro, Aeontec motion sensors, dimmers and relays, Somfy, Hue, and some other hardware, sure it has some minor bugs but it works where others failed for me.
Mailing vera support also helpt me a lot and fixed a few bugs for me, never happend with other controlers for me.

I dont think there is one multi protocol controler working better then Vera in this price range imo.
if so please let me know

It seems like people have big problems with bugs. I have all kind of sensors, door looks, cameras. etc and running Vera Plus. The only minor bugs that I have noticed is that 2 door sensors showing that they are not connected, but they works perfect.
First I did a upgrade from Vera Edge, but had problems after the upgrade, therfore I installed everything from scratch. Perhaps I am lucky because of this?

[quote=“paros, post:118, topic:192320”]It seems like people have big problems with bugs. I have all kind of sensors, door looks, cameras. etc and running Vera Plus. The only minor bugs that I have noticed is that 2 door sensors showing that they are not connected, but they works perfect.
First I did a upgrade from Vera Edge, but had problems after the upgrade, therfore I installed everything from scratch. Perhaps I am lucky because of this?[/quote]

Yes you’re lucky

[quote=“paros, post:118, topic:192320”]It seems like people have big problems with bugs. I have all kind of sensors, door looks, cameras. etc and running Vera Plus. The only minor bugs that I have noticed is that 2 door sensors showing that they are not connected, but they works perfect.
First I did a upgrade from Vera Edge, but had problems after the upgrade, therfore I installed everything from scratch. Perhaps I am lucky because of this?[/quote]

I did the exact same painful process… but yes,as far as devices go… i do not have issues either like people state…