DSC Wireless Alarm System Integration to Vera - 2/2013

Hello
I am trying to make a preliminary list of sensors etc i need to buy here is the list:

DSC Power Series PC1864 Alarm Panel (with enclosure) X 1
TR5164-433 - DSC PowerSeries 2-Way Wireless Transceiver X 1
16V40VA plug-in transformer (for alarm panel) X 1
BD712 - 12 Volt 7AH Alarm System Battery X 1
WT5500 - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless LCD Keypad X 2
Wireless sensor for windows that open X 5: MICRA-D - ION Security DSC Compatible Wireless Window Sensor
Wireless sensor for windows that do not open X 5 WLS912L-433 Wireless glass break detector
Wireless sensor for wooden doors (main and entry from garage): PLUNGER-D - ION Security DSC Compatible Wireless Door Sensors
Wireless sensor for glass patio door MICRA-D - ION Security DSC Compatible Wireless Window Sensor
Wireless indoor siren X 1 DSC SD15W Surface Mount
Wired Motion sensor X1 LC-100-PI
Wireless motion sensor indoor X1 DSC Wireless PIR WS4904 Motion Detector
Wireless motion sensor outdoor X1 LC-151
Wireless CO sensor X 3 WS4913
Wireless smoke/fire detector X 3 WS4916 Wireless Photoelectric Smoke Detector with Heat

Which one will work better the plunger D sensor or the vanishing contact sensor from dsc? I see some peoplle bought both not sure why if they provide the same functionality.
Also for patio door the break in can be either if the door is left open or breakeage. Does that mean that one has to install 2 sensors on such doors.

OK guys i have a question. I added the following to my cart at the homesecuritystore and the price shipped was:


PC1864NK - DSC Power Series 1864 Control Board & Enclosure
SKU: PC1864NK
$79.25


TR5164-433 - DSC PowerSeries 2-Way Wireless Transceiver
SKU: TR5164-433
$71.50

BD712 - 12 Volt 7AH Alarm System Battery
SKU: BD712
$22.00

XR-1640LED - 16.5 40VA Transformer
SKU: XR-1640LED
$12.00

WT5500 - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless LCD Keypad
SKU: WT5500
$122.00

PK5500 - DSC Custom English LCD Keypad
SKU: PK5500
$91.60

WS4916 - DSC Wireless Smoke Detector
SKU: WS4916
$194.25 (3 units)

MICRA-D - ION Security DSC Compatible Wireless Window Sensor
SKU: MICRA-D
$179.70 (6units)

WPF-19 - Forstner 3/4" Drill Bit For ION Wireless Contacts
SKU: WPF-19
$6.95

WLS912L-433 - DSC Wireless Glass Break Detector
SKU: WLS912L-433
$136.00 (2 units)

PLUNGER-D - ION Security DSC Compatible Wireless Door Sensor
SKU: PLUNGER-D
$59.90 (2 units)

WS4904P - DSC Wireless Pet Immune PIR Motion Sensor
SKU: WS4904P
$62.25

WT4911B - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless Outdoor Siren & Strobe
SKU: WT4911B
$93.75

EVL-3 - Envisalink Internet Alert Module for DSC & Honeywell Security
SKU: EVL-3
$99.00

The total cost including standard shipping is $1,107.14

The local security company is offering me professional monitering service with 3 year warranty on equipment and i own the equipment after 3 years form $28/month including taxes. This is with a 3 year contract. Over 3 years this is $1,008.

So my question is why bother with DIY?

What happens though if you want expand or tweak something… will they be restrictive, or will they charge you for it?

[quote=“chetanh, post:122, topic:174399”]The total cost including standard shipping is $1,107.14

The local security company is offering me professional monitering service with 3 year warranty on equipment and i own the equipment after 3 years form $28/month including taxes. This is with a 3 year contract. Over 3 years this is $1,008.

So my question is why bother with DIY?[/quote]

Depending on the system/brand you have installed, you might not be able to remotely monitor their system after the 3 years are up. You’ll still be able to arm/disarm it and the alarm will go off at your house if tripped, but that might be all. You may not have the ability to self-monitor it after your contract is up. Many of the brands out there can’t be modified to tie into a ZWave system. Unless you know there’s a plugin already developed for it, you might be out of luck.

Can somebody cobfirm if the WT4911B is compatible with the powet series?. I think the others work. Thanks

Unless the specs have recently changed, neither of the below sirens will work with the TR5164 Transceiver. It’s not the Power Series that is the problem. It’s the TR5164 that can’t communicate with the wireless sirens. You’ll have to use a wired siren with your Power Series alarm panel.

WT4911B - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless Outdoor Siren & Strobe
WT4901 - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless Indoor Siren

Do you know which model is compatible. I have rough in in one spot in the house and i can use it for the siren

Pretty much any DSC wired siren. This should work: SD15W - DSC 15W Indoor Siren

So here is how i am planning to set up the zones

Zone 1: All Smoke detectors
Zone 2 to Zone 8: 7 Window sensors
Zone 9 and Zone 10: Glass breaker sensors
Zone 11 and Zone 12: Door sensors
Zone 13 motion detector
Zone 14: wired siren

I want separate zones to have more granualar control/alerts when connected to vera3 in the near future…
Does this sound right?

I am assuming that the transceiver will be hard wired
Also one of the keypads will be hard wired
Will the wireless keypad that will connect to the transceiver need its own zone?
While programming how will the zones added by the transceiver be addressed?

Sorry for so many questions. I just want to make sure i understand the system and have rough programming ideas before purchase.
thank you everyone for taking the time to read my post.

You stated 3 wireless smoke detectors. Each wireless sensor regardless of type will take one zone when enrolled. The zone numbers aren’t really important but my rule of thumbs is common used first, doors, windows, etc I work from front to back and left to right as it is easier remember. So smoke would be my last group as you should not need to touch them normally.

Wired siren doesn’t need a zone.

Thanks Brien.
So technically i will not need to use the additional zones provided by the transceiver or will these devices connect to the transceiver zones?

Also will the wireless keyboard be in its zone?

Thank You everyone for helping me so far

The transceiver is connected to the alarm panel and the zone used are zones allocated on the panel. The transceiver can only use the maximum zones available from the panel itself and it an interface between the physical alarm system and the remotely connect wireless sensors or devices.

Therefore, if you buy a 1832 and use 16 hardwired zones, the transceiver will be only able to register 16 devices.

I have always said buy the 1864 if you think you’ll need more in the future. As you get more exposure, I have no doubt you will think of more that you can do with this as an integrated extension of you home automation projects.

Zones 29-32 are reserved zones on the TR5164 for the WT5500 Keypads and really the 5164 can only have 60 devices plus the 4 keypads

[quote=“johnfdl, post:98, topic:174399”]Aldera’s post on his experience with the DSC and Vera integration helped me tremendously. So as I ventured down the path, I made sure to log my newbie experience, progress and challenges with integrating a DSC and Vera in the hopes it helps others. I am no expert so please let me know if I’ve mis-stated anything…I’m happy to clarify/correct as needed.

I certainly would not have been able to get this far this quickly without the great support and guidance of the folks here such as Brientim, ChrisAZ, RichardTSchaefer & oTi@ as well as those who developed the very slick plug ins to go with the tool, especially guessed great work with the DSC plug-in (which is why I ended up buying Vera and DSC). If only MCV put as much care and effort into supporting the product.[/quote]

Thank you for such details! So informative for a newbie like me to know what you bought, how each device works with each other, how it was installed and how it was used in one post. This Post should be right below the OP.

I have a few questions, what is the benefit of getting a DSC with Vera? Why not get just a Vera? I understand that a alarm system / DSC is more dependable but what makes it more dependable? can’t something cause the alarm system to go down just as a vera would? I’ve added the DSC system to cart and it is not cheap. I assume that I can get the same alerts through z wave sensors and the veralite. Sorry if the question has been asked before…this thread is great and I think getting an answer to this would benefit it. Thanks!

There are numerous comparison and stated reasons.

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=15379.0

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=13119.0

I state the reason is reliability and png term reduced cost. Vera is designed to do various aspect of HA and not security itself. However, Vera and an system can work very well together.

Every change to Vera needs to have a restart. Nightly heal renders it inoperable for a period.
Firmware updates have left devices unusable for a period.
30 meters z-wave vs over 300 meter alarm wireless devices.
Redundancy and no single point of failure.
Dedicate design to industry standards for alarm system.
Dedicated keypad - very important when it go off.
The list goes on.

[quote=“Svu79, post:135, topic:174399”][quote=“johnfdl, post:98, topic:174399”]Aldera’s post on his experience with the DSC and Vera integration helped me tremendously. So as I ventured down the path, I made sure to log my newbie experience, progress and challenges with integrating a DSC and Vera in the hopes it helps others. I am no expert so please let me know if I’ve mis-stated anything…I’m happy to clarify/correct as needed.

I certainly would not have been able to get this far this quickly without the great support and guidance of the folks here such as Brientim, ChrisAZ, RichardTSchaefer & oTi@ as well as those who developed the very slick plug ins to go with the tool, especially guessed great work with the DSC plug-in (which is why I ended up buying Vera and DSC). If only MCV put as much care and effort into supporting the product.[/quote]

Thank you for such details! So informative for a newbie like me to know what you bought, how each device works with each other, how it was installed and how it was used in one post. This Post should be right below the OP.

I have a few questions, what is the benefit of getting a DSC with Vera? Why not get just a Vera? I understand that a alarm system / DSC is more dependable but what makes it more dependable? can’t something cause the alarm system to go down just as a vera would? I’ve added the DSC system to cart and it is not cheap. I assume that I can get the same alerts through z wave sensors and the veralite. Sorry if the question has been asked before…this thread is great and I think getting an answer to this would benefit it. Thanks![/quote]

The DSC was built from the ground up to be an alarm system. It has the built-in features and intelligence for that specific task. If you were building a house from scratch or could run wires to most of your sensors, a DSC system would be much cheaper. Wired door/window sensors can be had for around $5 whereas wireless sensors are $25-$40 a pop. Wired keypads, sirens, etc., are also cheaper than their wireless counterparts. Batteries wear out and certain areas in a home can be difficult for a wireless sensor to receive/transmit a signal. Other appliances can be a source of interference, etc. If you ever wanted to have your alarm system professionally monitored, you have a lot more options with a dedicated alarm system.

ZWave is a general-purpose wireless protocol. You can certainly create many of the capabilities with ZWave that a dedicated alarm system provides but there are tradeoffs. I think there’s going to be more work on your part to put all the pieces together and get things tweaked and working as a system. ZWave is definitely more of a DIY environment, but for many, that’s part of the fun. An alarm system is also more reliable when you consider motion detectors. You will tend to have more issues (false or delayed response) with motion sensing with a wireless device than with a wired sensor. Wireless motion sensors have built-in delays to address this problem, but if you need immediate response, wired is the only way to go.

Thank you for the replies to my questions!

DSC Alarm system it is. I will get the veralite as soon as UI 7 comes out.

Should I get the 1832, or 1864?

Downstairs I have 2 doors, 1 sliding door and 5 windows.

I am thinking about skipping the sensors for windows and using a motion sensor. Will this suffice?

Ill be getting the following:

1x DSC Power Series 1832 or 1864 Alarm Panel
1x TR5164-433 - DSC PowerSeries 2-Way Wireless Transceiver
1x EVL-3 - Envisalink
1x WT5500 - DSC Alexor 2-Way Wireless LCD Keypad
1x Motion Sensors ?? - All the reviews on HomeSecurityStore for motion sensors are really bad.
3x EV-DW4975
1x 16V40VA plug-in transformer (for alarm panel)
1x SD15W - DSC 15W Indoor Siren
1x BD712 - 12 Volt 7AH Alarm System Battery
1x Foscam

Would I be able to set up the foscam to turn on as soon as the motion sensor senses movement or if an alarm is tripped?

From what I’ve read, I do not need a wired keypad to enroll the wireless keypad. Please let me know if I have everything I need to set up security at home.

Does anyone have any experience with the WTK5504 keypad? Would this work with the components listed above?

No experiences with it but it was designed to work with the TR5164 and thus yes, it would work.