I can wait but price is a huge factor. Legrand (who owns Qmotion) has always been the high-price leader (with average quality IMO) of sorts and Gen1 products are often still working out serious bugs (or lack features) … so I have some early concerns that I realize may not be an issue but I’m not sure I want to be a ‘beta tester’ unless the prices are VERY favorable.
Legrand has owned QMotion for less than 2 months, so not a factor
Features wise, QMotion is one of the most innovative motorization solution but they only sell through dealers and price is on high side (probably why Legrand bought them?)
Well, I’m going to post this here. Through May 5th, Lutron Serena shades are on sale direct through their website, www.serenashades.com. Orders of 3 or less shades are 20% off and free shipping with coupon code Smartshades20. Orders of 4 or more are 25% off with free shipping with a different code- Smartshades25. This is the best deal I have seen for these in the last year. I hope someone finds this helpful. I used the code and got f4 shades for the price of 3. The shipping would have been 60$, so I saved that as well.
I looked at the Serena Shades but found them to be much too bulky, specifically the bottom rail was 1 1/2" deep, even for a 3/8 cellular. Did you find out anything different? They would be my preferred units, but for this issue.
Here is what I can say about it… I have had 1 battery version shade for a little over one year. It has been paired with a staples hub, set to open about 80% at sunrise and close at sunset. It is in a location I can only access by a ladder, with great difficulty. It has operated without problem since the start. I am very thankful for that.
As I look up at it now, the bottom rail does appear to be larger than other cellular shades I have.
That’s the problem, I have them running in a vertical track (actually 2 corner moldings) to guide them around the handle of the window and to do a better job of keeping air circulation away from the windows. If the bottom rail is that large the track has to be that much wider and then stick out from the window that much further. A design characteristic that does not appeal to my wife. So my search for motorized cellular shades goes on.
I’m going to call Lutron and ask about the size. I just priced 6 shades (4 different sizes) and they came to $350 each after discount for the light blocking cellulars. Seems like a good deal.
Lutron vs Shades that integrate Somfy motors + Somfy ZRTSI RTS 16 Channel Z-Wave to RTS Plug-in Interface Wall Module (the manufacturer doesnt offer the Zwave motor version).
With the Lutron…
Can you save one or more presets for open/closed height on the remotes?
Are you just create different scenes in the Vera for different heights?
What is your time line on the decision? I have 4 lutron Serena on order. Don’t expect them to arrive before the end of the month. I can try to assist you when the arrive and I get a chance to install.
20% off your order of shades + free shipping, doesn’t apply to the hub or light switches.
From the website pop-up:
“SUMMERVACA coupon code expires end of day 6/7/16. 20% discounts do not apply to the Smart Bridge required for mobile control, Smart Bridge Kits or Caseta Wireless Light controls. Offers cannot be combined or applied to previously purchased product and are valid on Direct Consumer orders placed on SerenaShades.com only. Free Shipping offered on orders shipping to the 50 U.S. states. Shade Specialists are available seven days a week (M-F 8 a.m. - 8 p.m. EST, S-S 9 a.m. - 6 p.m.).”
If my prior order arrives in time for me to test it out, I will post answers to some of the questions here as best as I can.
Aaron,
Got around to taking the pix of the tracks. I’m taking them down because I’m ordering the Hunter Douglas units. Let me know if you have any questions. They worked great, just be sure to allow enough “wiggle” room for the bottom rails to move smoothly.
Just for everyone’s FYI, I went with HD because of the dimensions of the bottom rail, they were smaller by about 1/2 inch from the Lutron units.
[quote=“Aaron”]I have been looking at Lutron and alternatives - Bali and other companies that integrate Somfy
I don’t have any shades in my house but here’s what I found from my research - please feel free to correct or add info! Thx
LUTRON
Positives:
good price
reviews say this is a quiet & good quality motor
battery integrated into the headrail
Negatives:
Thin cell material
Only Single Cell for Light Blocking
thicker lower rail than normal?
BALI & similar Somfy integrated brands…
Positives:
Materials look the same or better at similar cost as Lutron (with sales) or bulk discounts for ETailers
Home Depot & Lowes to back them up
Lowes has $99 flat install fee covers ALL purchased shades, no matter how many.
Double Cell Light Blocking that provide much better thickness of material and better insulation value (R2 or so better)
Negatives:
Batteries are separate, not integrated; will need to find a way to hide[/quote]
I will measure the lower rail when it arrives for you. I only ordered single cell. 2 light blocking, 2 normal thin. All are white. I actually have one single cell light blocking one now, but it it very hard to access. Requires me to go on an extension ladder, which is difficult for me. It is also running on a Staples connect v2 hub, and I am moving to the lutron hub.
[quote=“Aaron, post:17, topic:190915”]I have been looking at Lutron and alternatives - Bali and other companies that integrate Somfy
I don’t have any shades in my house but here’s what I found from my research - please feel free to correct or add info! Thx
LUTRON
Positives:
good price
reviews say this is a quiet & good quality motor
battery integrated into the headrail
Negatives:
Thin cell material
Only Single Cell for Light Blocking
thicker lower rail than normal?
BALI & similar Somfy integrated brands…
Positives:
Materials look the same or better at similar cost as Lutron (with sales) or bulk discounts for ETailers
Home Depot & Lowes to back them up
Lowes has $99 flat install fee covers ALL purchased shades, no matter how many.
Double Cell Light Blocking that provide much better thickness of material and better insulation value (R2 or so better)
Negatives:
Batteries are separate, not integrated; will need to find a way to hide[/quote]
My shades arrived today. I installed one of the shades so I could give you some feedback and information.
I have attached several pictures. One picture is of part of the instructions concerning set points for a Pico remote. You can set the max open and max close levels. You can set a “favorite” position, i.e. 50% open. I dont know yet if you can do more than one favorite, but you can make scenes in the lutron app which seem to allow you to set to whatever percentage you want (I have walked through the set up procedure for this, but not actually run it). Percentage increments are at 1%, so you have lots of control here.
Size of the bottom rail. It measures about 40 mm, or about 1 9/16th of an inch. By way of comparison, what I replaced was 28mm, or about 1 1/8 inch thick.
Material size and quality. See the photo for this. I think the cells are large. I choose the cheapest option of this shade – light filtering and standard color/material single cell. I dont know how to really evaluate the quality of it. I am going to look at it again tomorrow and try to give an opinion, but my initial impression was that it was thin.
Using lutron standard hub with caseta connect plugin to show up in Vera. The Echo supports lutron lights, but apparently not the Serena shades yet. As such, I then used the Echo bridge to Vera for voice control. It works but is awkward so far – i need to work on this more.
Those are my first opinions and impressions. I am exhausted as I type this , so hopefully what I wrote is making sense. Ask me whatever you like and I will try to test it for you if I can.