Solution for sliding glass door

Other Devices & Integrations Door Locks & Sensors
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Hi there. I’m preparing to start my z-wave installation, Veralite on delivery with a couple of Yale keypad locks. Just got home and found my wife has left the sliding doors to our backyard unlocked. Kind of defeats the point of having snazzy locks.

Does anyone have any advice of how to detect (or even operate) the actual lock on the sliding door? Open/closed is easy, what I want is locked/unlocked.

Thanks!

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I’ve wanted the same thing… I wish I didn’t have a huge slider… I’ve considered looking into replacing it with large french doors but it’s a brand new house…

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I have the same problem - 3 sliding doors + 2 small kids + 1 forgetful wife = always open doors
My solution:
1)Convince wife to move from iphone to android.
2)Install Vera Alerts on said Android and setup for verbal notifications
3)Install Vera Alerts and Program Logic Event Generator plugins on vera
4)Install Door/Window sensors on doors
5)Generate PLEG events with notifications to notify when doors are opened and every 5 minutes until closed.

Con: It still does not ensure the door is locked, only that it is closed

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Well I’ve got a set of fairly large French doors and I’m still not certain i have any automation options… The doors are Andersen.

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Swazi

Prowl works very well for the Iphone for instant alerts

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[quote=“spudjr, post:5, topic:175474”]Swazi

Prowl works very well for the Iphone for instant alerts[/quote]

Never heard of it - too late now - oops ;D

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For detecting locked/unlocked status I’m wondering if I can rig some form of simple contact operated by the lock being hooked into the window frame, closing the contact. Contact open, door unlocked. Contact closed, door locked. The hard bit is converting that to a zwave signal. Any ideas?

I’m wondering if there’s an option using a Mimolite?

Another option might be a simple Arduino board instead of a mimolite, again with some sort of contact closed/open signal. In fact, I like this option better. I’d have to run power to the arduino board, and recess it in the wall, but I think that courd work.

Thoughts?

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I recently installed a VeraLite system and wanted door & window open/closed information. The vendor I used recommended installing an alarm system (I used DSC) as the alarm contacts are much less costly; for the price of a few z-wave contacts you can purchase a simple alarm system and an Envisalink board. I expect you could get the result you need with this same combination.
In my view the biggest challenge is in learning how to program the alarm system - the instructions are not designed for DIY as it appears the alarm companies are trying to protect their installer base. However, there are good forums for that too.

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I believe a solution can be built with the following 2 products (plus a transformer). Cost would be ~$90:

[url=http://www.seco-larm.com/E-941SA-80Q.htm]http://www.seco-larm.com/E-941SA-80Q.htm[/url]

[url=http://store.homeseer.com/store/Remotec-ZFM-80-Z-Wave-15-Amp-Dry-Contact-Fixture-Module-P1455.aspx]HomeSeer | Smart Home Hubs, Switches & Sensors For Any Need and Budget

With a dual electro magnet the same solution can work for double/french doors.

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Don’t forget the cost of a UPS for the lock. Power to lock goes out and door is open.

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There are other locks that will remain locked when power is interrupted. But most are larger and more expensive. The door will still have the original lock that can be used too. I envision the use case is if somebody forgets to lock the door this is a fallback (secondary) lock
I’m sure there will be more cost like outlet box, cover, wire etc. So lets call it $100 to $150.

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So, reopening a aged topic. I’ve found that most sliding glass doors have standard lock shapes (about 4 sizes).

Is there still no Z-Wave option to lock a sliding glass door?

In 20/20 hindsight, I guess I should have wired in the electromagnetic plates to the 2 sliding doors. However, as others mentioned, it doesn’t work if the power is out.

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Anybody know anything about an overseas supplier of what is advertised as a Z-wave sliding door lock?

Doesn’t look like it is really right, just found it in my search and thought I would check.

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/search?utf8=✓&term=padiolok

Just launched on kickstarter today. They have pledged that all of their locks will eventually be upgradeable to Zwave. If they hit their first stretch goal (150,000 CAD ~$116,000 US) zwave will be available right away!

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Has anyone created a solution to determine if the sliding door is in the locked or unlocked state? At least, this would allow me to know without physically checking.

I think that I could use a water sensor or window sensor but have not figure out how to connect it to the latch.

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schapper05, thanks for the tip! I am going to measure tonight to make sure a Morty will work for me, then pitch in to Kickstarter.

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I just backed them. 2 Morties + Z-Wave ($40 CAD x 2) for $326 USD. I’ve been waiting for this type of product for a long, long time for my two patio doors.

There is nothing like that at the moment. A door/window sensor on the top of the door frame is how you would detect if it’s open.

Until the kickstarter came out, the only option for patio doors in past/current is electromagnetic locks. However, the cost to wire these and the required request to exit interior override button for emergencies is prohibitive.

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I want one of the PaDIOLOKs, but it would need to be in Almond to match my patio door. The door is a triple-paned Pella 8’x8’ door that cost a mint, so not in a hurry to void warranty. It only serves a third-floor patio, so the locking function isn’t critical, so will wait until they are in full production.

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I don’t have sliding doors and dont have z-wave locks anyway. That said, is it possible to mount one of the very small micro switches inside the catch hole such that when locked the catch just presses the micro switch button. You could then take the contacts of the micro switch to a standard window sensor external contacts. You would have to route the two wires carefully to hide them but the window sensor could be up at the top of the door out of site.
This obviously only works if there is enough room to fit that micro switch.

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Padio is off to a slow start. Someone from Padio posted on this forum:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,37211.msg278022.html