Hi
Has anyone tried this as an alternative controller?
Zipato .com
looks interesting also got a nice looking interface on it.
Looks interesting.
I really like the look of the rule creator as I don’t have much time to learn to code which is what seems almost necessary with vera.
Lots of links that go nowhere on their site though, lots of typos, lorem ipsum text in some places…no way to tell pricing and you can’t buy it. Looks like they are just starting out, but seems to have some promise.
Also bad for me it seems to be Europe only. At least for now.
rule creator looks like the fibaro kind of creation…
Nicely done and this should be an option for the vera as well… (nice for n00bs like me;))
Indeed… rules rule and I think this will be the key in bringing Vera to the big public.
It should not be so difficult to inplement right?
Have you looked at the Program Logic Event Generator and Program Logic Timer Switch plugins ? They are designed to greatly reduce the need to use luup code.
Yes I have and it is easier but still, there is a significant difference… one that let some users make the discission to go for the zipabox/HC2…
I agree that there is a significant difference and the decision to go with a system that simplifies things is easy to make.
I would gladly pay double for an interface that doesn’t make me code anything. Tinkering is one thing, but I have never been a fan of coding personally.
Sad thing is (for me anyway) is that both of these systems seem to be unavailable in the US at this time.
I agree that there is a significant difference and the decision to go with a system that simplifies things is easy to make.
I would gladly pay double for an interface that doesn’t make me code anything. Tinkering is one thing, but I have never been a fan of coding personally.
Sad thing is (for me anyway) is that both of these systems seem to be unavailable in the US at this time.[/quote]
Correct, and when available, you still have the different zwave frequency issue…
Seems like the site is now better up2date, also here in the Netherlands are the first shops that have them available.
I think MiCasaVerde is getting more and more concurrents e.g. Fibaro, andd now Zipato.
Will be interesting to see how MCV is going to move on…
Any progress with anyone in using the zipato box?
well, i got one sitting in the basement, controlling a few dimmers…
the box itself, so far so good…
support and employee`s? not sure…
there are posts where people were asking for HTTPS, but the staff at Zipato did not find it nessecary since they used SHA1 for the password hashing upon login to their cloud… :
After numerous questions they implemented SSL - but still allowes HTTP…
They are very quick to perform a first reply to questions / problems to show that they are active but that is mostly it is my experience.
I did ask a question about FTP service, was told to send some info in mail but I`ve waited two weeks and sendt three mails to support since they stopped replying me - still no answers. Did a posting on facebook to complain about the service - got a reply in mail very soon afterwords but my post on facebook where deleted by Zipato…
As soon as you ask critical questions - they either act unseriously and/or rude back, denies their statement or just does not answer.
I know there are numerous posts where people have asked questions about things that does not work, but if it is not something wrong with zipato it self, but user error - they may mark the posts as “not problem” and it falls far back in the list without anyone answering.
There is many posts in the forum with status “under consideration” , RFXcom support has been told “soon, probably next week” or similar the last two months. now they are not replying anymore to any planned release date or what`s going on.
You can create rooms - but not delete them so be carefully to not get typo or plan how you would like the naming standard…
- but is is “planned” to allow you to delete created rooms.
I made a post with an idea about redirecting HTTP to HTTPS since json javascripts is polling some usernames and passwords in clear text on the network detectable by sniffing… I was told that this statements just confused people - and it was not an issue since HttpS was avaliable; And just locked that post for more coments and marked it as “not a problem”
I am starting to have second thoughts about this box. The big question is also still what will be in basic version and what will be paid services when PRO is launched…
really liked the rule generator, simplicity with modules and DIN monitoring, but so far thats it. If we could take Zipatos DIN rail and expandable modules (I know Im a bit pedantic about design)- combined with Fibaros intuitive design GUI and Mobile APP design, but let it be open for scripting and expansion, with the community as MCV i think i would have a winner…
And here is a pretty good review of the unit:
A favorable review and a nice looking device(s). The forum/support experience doesn’t sound good, nor does the cloud interface requirement.
These are, at least for me, critical advantages that Vera has over the competition. A local interface is critical! It’s not only a matter of not wanting to pay ransom(monthly access) to be able to use my device, it’s also an issue of internet connectivity not always being an option or available, as well as the possibility of the company failing and rendering my investment in equipment and time useless.
The ability for me to operate Vera with or without Micasaverde is HUGE. Although I would like it even more if Micasaverde made it possible for me to run my own server to remotely access, manage and archive my Vera. Cloud can/should be a feature enhancement or add-on, not a requirement for operation and continued use. MSC have this mostly right.
To Micasaverde: Look at the competition. See anything we like? Embrace, enhance, extend extinguish. But, do not bite the hand that feeds you.
Z-waver, can you explain what you can do with vera if the micasaverde servers are completely shut down? Hopefully this never happens, but I’m curious to know what is and isn’t possible if the micasaverde servers are gone. Are there any dependencies on working servers?
@jswim788 - All of Vera’s control features, logic, timers, etc. are available locally without Micasaverde(MCV) servers. The Vera GUI interface is local to the Vera device, not in the “cloud”, though there is a tie-in. To do remote control (away from home) without MCV servers, you would need VPN access into your home network. (Do NOT ever port forward to Vera! There is no security.)
Features not available without MCV servers include log archives, camera archives, backup archives and the aforementioned remote access. Everything else works completely independently of MCV. If MCV closes up shop and takes down the servers, my remote access becomes a bit more cumbersome. But Vera still works just fine and I can still configure and do whatever I want with it. This was one of the biggest deciding factors for me, when making the decision on which device to purchase.
AND MCV servers are free of charge. No monthly subscriptions for the online portals like many other services.
I stupidly purchased a Zipato box thinking that the rule creator was a good substitute for my lack of knowledge in the code department.
Essentially the Zipato box is a hunk of junk. More than anything it runs slower so a simple motion detector to turn a light on seems less responsive, and once it’s triggered it retriggering doesn’t seem to want to happen quickly. The support forum as mentioned above is quick to help with a stock answer but then when you put something to them that they don’t see a problem you get ignored and there’s no volume of other community members to offer support.
Plus it doesn’t have any plugins to make life easier/extendable
Im now trying to remove my devices from it to come back to Vera but that doesn’t seem to want to work either.
It’s got some interesting features that Vera should have to make life simpler but i’d steer clear of this box.
Zipato seems to have been doing some updates recently and was wondering if anyone here was still using one. I am really interested in the rule creator since I’m not very proficient with Luup or Lua.
Why would you want to use one when you have PLEG?
Here is my bitch about pleg. All the links to learn how to use it are based around something other than Ui7
for example