[quote=“GroundLoop, post:22, topic:173509”]I made a change that fixes this problem on my VeraLite.
In /etc/cmh is the file “network_pnp_sys.xml”. Make a backup copy of this file, and then gut it.
Remove everything between and , leaving it empty.
Now it doesn’t make outbound network requests at all.
YMMV, and Merry Christmas.[/quote]
I’m not confident this will correct the problem, especially since no one else has validated it, but would like to at least try it.
I was able to extract the file and modify it, but I don’t know how to write it back. I’ve been digging through the support docs, but I don’t see any mechanism or command to overwrite the file back to /etc/cmh. If anyone can just point me to a doc that can enlighten me, I will appreciate the help.
UPDATE: I found some pretty good material on using SSH commands via Putty, that looks like the right approach. I’m not sure I want to take the effort to learn enough about using it for this purpose, though. If anyone else would indicate success solving the problem using GroundLoop’s suggestion, I might change my mind.
It is. If you are on Windows, I hear that WinSCP provides a nice GUI that you might prefer to use.[/quote]
Much thanks for your help. Nice is quite an understatement. WinSCP is spectacularly easy to use, compared to Putty. especially for someone who hasn’t had to input line by line since the 90’s. I have the file stripped, Vera rebooted, and apparently still alive and well. I was afraid I would have several hours of white knuckle time making the change, but with WinSCP, I was able to do the whole deal in about 5-10 minutes.
Now I just have to wait for my wife to finish watching Crimes of the Heart, and the late news before I can test the change. I give it a 30% chance of success, but perhaps I will be happily surprised. I will update with the results.
UPDATE: Sadly, it made no difference at all. I went through a couple of cycles of testing, with Onkyo AC power recycle Off/On each time, and no improvement. It still fails the Network initialization. I went back afterward and rechecked the contents of the file in Vera, and confirmed it was indeed still stripped of device info, as I had modified it, so I’m pretty satisfied thjis approach isn’t going to help me. I restored the file to its normal contents again.
This pretty much exhausts every proposed change that I wanted to try, with only the Onkyo on a secondary router giving me normal operation on the Onkyo. I’ll keep watching for other possibilities on this thread, though, and perhaps either MIOS or Onkyo support will come through for us at some point.
I got a response on my Support Ticket on this issue last Friday morning, in which the tech acknowledged issues between the Vera and Onkyo units, and indicated that he would try to fix it. I gave him the config data he needed, and put my Onkyo back on the primary router, in the failing mode, to accommodate him. Presumably, he has been able to monitor and gather info to help hopefully identify the source of the problem.
I haven’t had any more responses from him in the last four days, but I hope his efforts will be fruitful. In the meantime, I don’t see any mechanism available for checking on the status of a support ticket, so I’m just in the dark, and waiting for some kind of update.
Yes, it works great. You just have to connect the mobile to the second router, also so that it sees the Onkyo. I use Android, via the Onkyo Remote app, and the WiFi Analyzer app for quick switching back and forth between routers.
Yes, it works great. You just have to connect the mobile to the second router, also so that it sees the Onkyo. I use Android, via the Onkyo Remote app, and the WiFi Analyzer app for quick switching back and forth between routers.[/quote]
vicw, I just set it up. If you setup port forward of 60128 to the onkyo’s ip address. It works fine once you add the IP of the “receiver” in oremote. The IP is actually the IP of the router.
Yes, it works great. You just have to connect the mobile to the second router, also so that it sees the Onkyo. I use Android, via the Onkyo Remote app, and the WiFi Analyzer app for quick switching back and forth between routers.[/quote]
vicw, I just set it up. If you setup port forward of 60128 to the onkyo’s ip address. It works fine once you add the IP of the “receiver” in oremote. The IP is actually the IP of the router.[/quote]
Thanks, Shay. It sounds interesting, but I need to understand what you are telling me. Are you using the secondary router for the Onkyo, or do you have everything on a single router?
And did you set up a port 60128 forward in the primary router to the Onkyo IP? (How did you determine the port #? Just curious.)
I don’t quite understand how you are adding the IP of the “receiver” in oremote. BY “oremote”, are you talking about the Android Onkyo Remote app? I don’t see any IP selection available in the app.
Sorry if I’m being a bit dense. It’s just a little confusing to me.
If you are talking about a single router setup, I’ll try that after we get through the movie we’re watching. If you are using the secondary router for the Onkyo, it’s not clear to me why I would need to do any of that.
vicw, you’re welcome. Yes I set it up with 2 routers. The forward rule goes into the second router. Then the second router’s ip address is enter into the control app which in my case is oremote which is a 3rd party ios app. It allows for autodiscovery of the receiver on the network or manual entry. I configured it manually. The 60128 port is listed in the oremote app. This allows you only connect to your primary WIFI network and control the receiver. The port forwarding takes care of it.
Aha. That all makes sense to me now. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, the Onkyo Remote app on Android just doesn’t have the option of manually designating the IP addressing for the receiver.
I’ll poke around to see if there might be a comparable 3rd party app that would do that, but I’m not too concerned about the minor inconvenience of switching between routers.
Congratulations on your success with the new configuration.
That is odd. I doubt you are going to be able to get the second router to relay the discovery packets out to the main network. I hope Onkyo will fix their firmware so we can avoid this hassle. Good luck.
The configuration has worked for me so far. I just connect via the wifi on the secondary router when I want to control the Onkyo. I haven’t had any problems streaming on the Onkyo, as far as I can tell. I agree totally that Onkyo needs to fix the problem properly, so that we don’t have to spend our time and energies improvising to work around the problem.
MiOS is trying to help, too. They have been monitoring my system for about a week. They installed one change, but unfortunately, that didn’t help. I hope they continue trying.
In the interest of wanting to be able to access the receiver from a mobile connected to the primary router, I managed to find a comparable Android 3rd party app for the Onkyo that works in the same manner as Shay did with his oremote IOS app, and will work for this purpose.
The name of the app is OnkyTroller, a paid app in the Play store for $4.99. Fortunately, they have a full function trial version that will work for 15 days according to Play (20 according to the app itself), before you need to purchase it. I set it up on my Android mobile in the same way that Shay did for oremote on IOS.
I first inputted the manual IP address of the secondary router in the app, and in the secondary router, added a port forwarding for port 60128 to the IP of the receiver in that router.
The app has a really unusual UI that I’m not sure I will be comfortable with, most notably some selections that appear to be grayed out that are actually available, and icon use that is not very intuitive (at least for me), but overall it does work.
I’ve only been using it for about 10 minutes, so I don’t know yet if it will prove worth the expense, or not, for the sake of convenience over using the free Onkyo app and switching wifi connections as needed.
I setup another forward rule for the the web ui of the receiver. I used 8080 for it since 80 is the secondary router’s UI. I am trying to figure out the DLNA ports. It seems to be a lot of them.
Has that had any effect on the performance of the Onkyo, or the control from the mobile app?[/quote]
Nope, it is just receiving traffic from the other subnet. DLNA is going to be a major pain. I wish Onkyo would fix their firmware so I could kill the double nat.
Has that had any effect on the performance of the Onkyo, or the control from the mobile app?[/quote]
Nope, it is just receiving traffic from the other subnet. DLNA is going to be a major pain. I wish Onkyo would fix their firmware so I could kill the double nat.[/quote]
I agree totally with your hope that it will get fixed.
Have you submitted a support ticket on the problem? I did get a response on mine. The support tech monitored my system on and off for about a week. He acknowledged the issue and made one change to my Vera that he said has helped some others with this problem. Unfortunately, it didn’t resolve it on mine, though. He said that he submitted the problem details to his support engineers, so I’m hopeful they might find the root cause, and is awaiting their response…
I suppose the change could help on yours, and it doesn’t hurt to keep the problem in their view by reporting it.
[quote=“vicw, post:57, topic:173509”]Have you submitted a support ticket on the problem? I did get a response on mine. The support tech monitored my system on and off for about a week. He acknowledged the issue and made one change to my Vera that he said has helped some others with this problem. Unfortunately, it didn’t resolve it on mine, though. He said that he submitted the problem details to his support engineers, so I’m hopeful they might find the root cause, and is awaiting their response…
I suppose the change could help on yours, and it doesn’t hurt to keep the problem in their view by reporting it.[/quote]
Support ticket with Onkyo or micasaverde?
[quote=“shay, post:58, topic:173509”][quote=“vicw, post:57, topic:173509”]Have you submitted a support ticket on the problem? I did get a response on mine. The support tech monitored my system on and off for about a week. He acknowledged the issue and made one change to my Vera that he said has helped some others with this problem. Unfortunately, it didn’t resolve it on mine, though. He said that he submitted the problem details to his support engineers, so I’m hopeful they might find the root cause, and is awaiting their response…
I suppose the change could help on yours, and it doesn’t hurt to keep the problem in their view by reporting it.[/quote]
Support ticket with Onkyo or micasaverde?[/quote]
Actually, I submitted one to each of them. Onkyo has promised to research the problem and report back promptly. It may not result in anything, but it can’t hurt. I have little doubt that the root cause solution should come from Onkyo, but I think it’s more likely that Vera can find what is irritating the Onkyo firmware, and avoid doing it, without affecting performance.
That is all just conjecture coming from me, of course, and I have zero working knowledge of the actual data exchange between them, but I figure they need to understand the impact this is having on their customers. I have no doubt that Onkyo is experiencing wasted resources and cash out of pocket in exchanging units to no avail, and damaging their name by letting the problem continue.