[quote=“dJOS, post:85, topic:199656”][quote=“zedrally, post:61, topic:199656”]PLEG:
without doubt he single most valuable PI available.[/quote]
I’m in IT (ex server admin who still likes to tinker) and I found PLEG to be an incomprehensible, user hostile pile of junk - I actually found building my own HAC using Hass.io several orders of magnitude easier than learning PLEG … and that involves editing half a dozen YAML files to get anything done!
PLEG is a great example of when programmers dont understand how to make a user friendly UI - there’s just no excuse for it these days imo.[/quote]
Thanks, that is exactly how I feel, but never dared to say it. I hold a degree in CS and it has been my occupation for 30 years, but I don’t understand PLEG. Just figured that the logic in the UI had to be made for a different kind of people, PLC or hardware designers or something I don’t understand. So I find writing code much easier. I use Node Red on a regular basis, and have no issues with Hass.io either. I have one scene in PLEG that I copied from the forum. It works, and I think I know why, but not quite sure.
I totally understand why people love PLEG, since that kind of logic is a big, missing gap in Vera. That’s why most of my ~80 scenes have code in them. Vera need to offer this kind of logic, as they can’t rely on people writing code if they want to enter a mass market. But it needs to be a lot more intuitive and user friendly than PLEG, or they will miss the target completely.
HomeSeer is probably the most mature and stable platform out there, used by advanced and demanding people, as well as unexperienced ones. But their GUI is far from perfect, to be very polite. If Vera could manage their level of functionality, device support and stability, and offer a modern UI on top, we have a winner! I really hope this will become true.
I agree that the mobile app is what people use on a daily basis, so it needs to be completely redesigned. I don’t use it at all myself, since ImperiHome is superior for my needs. It combines several systems that I use in one UI, Vera is just one of them. I don’t believe creating something like that should be a task for Vera. They need to create a simple but responsive and nice app for the useres that just have Vera to manage.
The ultimate goal for me is automation anyway, so 99% of the time I use the ImperiHome app, it is just to check status.