I don’t know how to reload lua, but the vera has been rebooted about four times.
Also accessed from three different computers…
212,1375,19,0,0
212 watts, 1375 RPM and 19 GPM.
Thanks Jerry,
It looks like the VF pump data is not quite what I expected. The Filter percent and the flow rate seem to be between the error code (the last value).
I had information that the format would have been 212, 1375, 0, 19, 0 instead of 212, 1375, 19, 0, 0 where the first 0 is a code that indicates the status and the last indicates the filter percent.
Upload this file and tell me if we got it. Your Vera should automatically restart if you upload the file from Apps–>Develop Apps–>Luup Files and the checkbox Restart Luup after Upload is checked.
[quote=“rstrouse, post:29, topic:185539”]Only for the configuration part of it. After it is configured the all the devices and controls will work just fine. I need to figure out a way to make ajax calls over https only when you are connected remotely. When Vera went to https, the ajax calls to get the config need to be modified to funnel through the gateway. Again, this is only used to configure the devices. After you have configured your pool setup you can then control it like any other device or devices on your system.
If you want to create custom panels that incorporate your most used pool features and even create macros using scenes take a look at the Virtual Panel plugin. I created this originally so I could for instance put all the pool features on one panel.[/quote]
Hello, I was wondering if you might have ever modified this for the gateway. I am in an interesting position as I purchased a controller for my vacation home in Phoenix (I live in Toronto). I did this because my Pentair brick (appropriately named) failed yet again. I have gone through three protocol adapters with Pentair - they really need to look at the engineering of their design. I am actually not due to go back down to the home until next February… and even that will depend on work. I had my handyman replace the protocol adapter with the new Autelis controller and it appears to be working fine (my router DHCP finds it). I downloaded the plugin for my vera (this plugin being a big reason why I decided to make the leap to Autelis) but I have run into the problem that MrChip had: “Could not get connection configuration from panel:undefined”. From the thread conversation that followed, I learned that the configuration cannot be done remotely. Geographically I am stuck remote for the next 4-5 months. I can likely get my handyman to come in and try to do it onsite and connected to my house wifi, but he is not comfortable around computers and it would be a challenge to coordinate.
Anyhow, just wondering if there are any workarounds to this. Thanks in advance! The plugin looks like it would be extremely useful
[quote=“rstrouse, post:122, topic:185539”]Thanks Jerry,
It looks like the VF pump data is not quite what I expected. The Filter percent and the flow rate seem to be between the error code (the last value).
I had information that the format would have been 212, 1375, 0, 19, 0 instead of 212, 1375, 19, 0, 0 where the first 0 is a code that indicates the status and the last indicates the filter percent.
Upload this file and tell me if we got it. Your Vera should automatically restart if you upload the file from Apps–>Develop Apps–>Luup Files and the checkbox Restart Luup after Upload is checked.[/quote]
Awesome, works great. Thanks again for this plugin and your help.
[quote=“Blueflame66, post:123, topic:185539”][quote=“rstrouse, post:29, topic:185539”]Only for the configuration part of it. After it is configured the all the devices and controls will work just fine. I need to figure out a way to make ajax calls over https only when you are connected remotely. When Vera went to https, the ajax calls to get the config need to be modified to funnel through the gateway. Again, this is only used to configure the devices. After you have configured your pool setup you can then control it like any other device or devices on your system.
If you want to create custom panels that incorporate your most used pool features and even create macros using scenes take a look at the Virtual Panel plugin. I created this originally so I could for instance put all the pool features on one panel.[/quote]
Hello, I was wondering if you might have ever modified this for the gateway. I am in an interesting position as I purchased a controller for my vacation home in Phoenix (I live in Toronto). I did this because my Pentair brick (appropriately named) failed yet again. I have gone through three protocol adapters with Pentair - they really need to look at the engineering of their design. I am actually not due to go back down to the home until next February… and even that will depend on work. I had my handyman replace the protocol adapter with the new Autelis controller and it appears to be working fine (my router DHCP finds it). I downloaded the plugin for my vera (this plugin being a big reason why I decided to make the leap to Autelis) but I have run into the problem that MrChip had: “Could not get connection configuration from panel:undefined”. From the thread conversation that followed, I learned that the configuration cannot be done remotely. Geographically I am stuck remote for the next 4-5 months. I can likely get my handyman to come in and try to do it onsite and connected to my house wifi, but he is not comfortable around computers and it would be a challenge to coordinate.
Anyhow, just wondering if there are any workarounds to this. Thanks in advance! The plugin looks like it would be extremely useful[/quote]
Suggestion; Have your handyman open a computer on the Wifi and then open a Teamviewer session with you. That way you can make the configurations remotely to your wifi.
Unfortunately, the gateway does not support a protocol to get past the Cross Origin Resource Sharing (CORS) rules. Once the plugin is configured it will operate just fine without any restrictions so if like Jerry said you can get your handyman to open up a browser at the location and remote desktop with him to get it configured you will be golden. That remote control human thing over the phone is an exercise in humility.
Another option is that my soothsayer abilities predict that soon you will want to an excuse to go to Phoenix.
Just installed Autelis with VeraEdge UI7.
Got it working with a single heater for both pool/spa; two VS pumps, a single filter pump. Thank you for this plug in, nice work!
Got a few questions:
- I can not set the temp above 100 for the spa from Vear’s UI. I can set up to 104 degrees from the Autelis www page, and Vera will report values higher than 100.
- Under spa:varables I have two entries for “CurrentSetpoint Heat”; same for pool. Why?
- Sometimes the spa icon will have a red square in the center, what does that mean?
4: In the Autelis www interface, what is “House Address” about?
FYI: I did run the app in demo mode, then switched when the Autelis unit was installed.
Thank you again for your work!
[quote=“Dansker, post:127, topic:185539”]Just installed Autelis with VeraEdge UI7.
Got it working with a single heater for both pool/spa; two VS pumps, a single filter pump. Thank you for this plug in, nice work!
Got a few questions:
- I can not set the temp above 100 for the spa from Vear’s UI. I can set up to 104 degrees from the Autelis www page, and Vera will report values higher than 100.
- Under spa:varables I have two entries for “CurrentSetpoint Heat”; same for pool. Why?
- Sometimes the spa icon will have a red square in the center, what does that mean?
4: In the Autelis www interface, what is “House Address” about?
FYI: I did run the app in demo mode, then switched when the Autelis unit was installed.
Thank you again for your work![/quote]
Dansker,
- Looks like I set the top limit to 100 in the device file. This is something that I didn’t find because 104 on my spa will require 43 potatoes, 22 carrots, 9 onions, and 12 bay leaves. Then I would need to change my name to Stewart. I’ll make the change for the next update.
- Interesting. The service ids on these should be different. What are the two service ids? Note the ones with the _Formatted are used to give a better display and are color coded as the temperature goes up.
- When there is a red square in the center this indicates that the heater is actually heating from the heater. When you select heater you are saying that the heater will turn on when the spa is turned on and the water temperature falls below the setpoint. If you have it set up to heat your pool as well you can select Heater on the spa so that it comes on when the spa circuit is activated and off or one of the solar options on the pool. That way you can maintain the temperature setpoints for both the pool and the spa from a single heater. For instance, most of the year my pool is set to Solar and Solar Pref on the spa. The heater on the spa will automatically switch between using the solar panels and the gas heater depending on whether there is sufficient temperature in the solar panels. Note: If you have solar and it is heating with solar the center will be green.
- The house address tells the panels which pool it is supposed to operate by identifying the personality board at the pad. This is typically, used by the mobile remotes such as MobileTouch and the ScreenLogic transceiver. That way your neighbor will not be controlling your pool if the signals overlap.
Rstrouse,
- Thank you that would be great; hate to freeze in the spa…; maybe heat with jalapenos?
- Please see screen capture enclosed; not sure where to find the service id?
- My red square does come on occasionally, even when heat setpoint is set below the (water) temp.
- Thanks for the explanation.
BTW, also have InteliChem hooked up.
Best regards, Erik
Got some odd temp readings, see attachments.
The heater is NOT turned on in Vera/Autelis, and the heater is disabled on the heater itself (still completing install). Yet, the water temp is reporting way high, at this time.
Dansker,
A couple of questions for you.
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Are you running the Autelis ISY firmware and have you enabled Vera in your setup? This is required to get the two-way communication flowing between Autelis and Vera. The plugin uses this two-way communication to reflect status changed from another panel and for things that are constantly changing, like the temperature.
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When you configured your circuits in the plugin did you set up the Circuit Types for Pool and Spa? The defaults are typically wired to the Pool/Spa circuits on the personality board but can be wire differently depending on your configuration. Pentair will see these as Circuit 1 (spa) and 6 (pool). These indicate the body settings for your filter so they control which body is being heated by the heater. Also note that your heater after being on will cycle cool down to and during that time the heater will still indicate on until the burner drops to an acceptable temp.
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To find the service id hover over the variable name it will show in the tooltip. By chance are you running any thermostats in your home. If so, which one?
One more thing. When you say still completing install, is the heater completely wired? If it’s not then that could throw some erroneous readings. The feed does not come from the heater relay on the board, rather it comes from the internal values in the heater. The red indicator only comes on as the boiler is fired and goes off after the boiler blower cools down. Are you running a Pentair heater or is another brand?
Thank you for your fast reply; I had family obligations and could not get back to you sooner.
- Autelis ISY firmware: not sure how to determine than (System Information says “Model: EasyTouch” and “Software Version: 1.6.4”) How to check for ISY firmware. No, I have not enabled Vera, can not find anywhere to do so on the Autelis device www site. Maybe that indicates non-ISY version?
2: See attachment for circuits configuration. Spa is on #1, Pool is on #6. (This is the filter/heating loop; one pump, valves change for spa/pool setting. Should be circuit type for #1 be spa rather than master cleaner? What does the circuit setting do?
3: I’m not running any other thermostats, except for the spa/pool. Service id is: TemperatureSetpoint1_Heat for all four instances of CurrentSetpoint Heat (two under pool and two under spa).
4: It is a Pentair Heater.
5: When Spa pump setting is on, and Spa heat setpoint is raised above water temp, heater turn on, but shows as a red square only in the pool icon.
Also 4 feature circuits are used. Two each for the variable speed pumps (spa and pool jets) (low/high); the feature circuits for the pumps are medium speed.
Thanks again for your help! I’ll be on site again tomorrow and will try to characterize the setup better.
I found the link below which refers to the Variable Container being installed.
Another thread here mentioned it was not longer needed. Which is best/needed?
Also, are there installation order dependencies?
Thanks again!
Poking around some more: found the ISY firmware on Wiki; is that a different version than what is provide standard by Autelis?
Re Variable Container: does not show as an app on VeraEdge UI7?
Sorry for all the posts and questions.
Dansker,
3 quick answers and 1 question
Variable container is not required. Yes the ISY firmware is different (optional) from Autelis and should be installed. Yes Circuit 1 should be set to Spa in your configuration.
After you install the ISY/Vera firmware and change the circuit config you should be in business. Finally, no worries on the questions and sorry about the short answers. It’s Monday and its already setting up to be a long week.
I assume that the feature circuit setups are actually for flow/rpm settings for your spa jets. So you have one VS/VF pump attached to the filter and one VS/VF pump running the Jets. Are these pool jets a valved water feature or are you boosting flow to run a suction side cleaner on the filter pump?
Will do as told, promptly. Thanks !!!
Four pumps total: Filter, spa, pool and waterfall.
The two jet pumps are connected to C7 and C8 (medium rpm). Yes, the four feature circuits used control spa and pool RPM, and I can control each Spa and pool pump separately (low/high for each).
There is yet a third pump for the filter/heating/chem part of the setup. I think the spa and pool jet plumbing is completely separate from the filter/heating plumbing; will check. The filter pump is also variable, but speed can only be controlled on the pump’s panel. Circuit 1 and 6 both turn on the (shared) filter pump, and sets the valves between pool/spa appropriately.
In view of this setup, what is the correct circuit settings?
And, there is a smaller waterfall pump as well…, on C2.
Got ISY firmware installed installed and configured.
Still some funky stuff with temps; sometimes they do not take, and pool using spa temp settings.
Also, not 100% reliable. Noticed a user with similar problem on Autelis forum. This setup also have an Easytouch wireless controller; it makes me wonder if there could be interaction between poor wireless connection to Easytouch and how the panel talks to Autelis. I see some odd behavior on setting temp on the Autelis www interface. I’ll try to make a matrix of what is going on. Will talk to installer tomorrow.
Considering the multiple variables with same name, do you think I should remove/reinstall?
Finally a feature suggestion: a max pool temp and max spa temp setting in variables only (no UI); good for guests using the pool…
Thanks for all your help, -and work!
Dansker,
Thanks for the suggestion. That temp does vary greatly and I’ll see if I integrate it without a Luup reload.
Just a couple of suggestions to help with your troubleshooting.
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Make sure the Circuits are correctly identified in Easytouch. 1 and 6 should be set up as 1=Spa/6=Pool. Based on what I have gleaned from your setup so far. This should be the case. If you have an in-floor cleaner then the installer may be mixing up what a master cleaner circuit is. It is not a filter circuit control. Check this in your Easytouch programming.
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Double check your pump setup. When you say High/Low pumps are these 2-speed pumps, variable speed, variable flow, or are they fixed speed pumps with a medium flow rating? The first 3 types of pumps will be on the RS485 bus but the last one will not. An incorrectly identified pump (VS/VF) will make the bus flaky. I assume that the Intellichem pump is an ORP pump and has no bearing on any of this.
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If you have an Easytouch controller that is acting up, there are three areas that should be suspect. The first is the personality board itself. If you start removing items from the serial ports and the system stabilizes add in each piece of eq until it gets flaky again. Start first with all controllers hooked up including Autelis (which is just like an indoor controller). If it is the personality board, the failure will be because the RS485 bus is being overwhelmed. In conditions where the bus is falling apart the date and time on your controller may go haywire. This is a good visual clue.
The second is the wiring itself. Check the serial port. It sounds like you have a lot plugged into your Easytouch. If they tried to jamb all of the equipment control wiring into a single port you may not be getting good connection there. If they used push connectors these are notorious for weak connections. Finally trace along all the wiring, including the connector for the IC40 (which I assume you have wired up in this mix). If there are any places where the wiring seems like it is crushed, stretched, or damaged, this can be a point of failure. Moving equipment around the pad is an easy way to damage wiring.
The third place is the transceiver and less likely. This is the middle finger looking thing. If this is placed too close to the Control Center it will pick up interference. I argued with my last PB who insisted on bolting that thing to the back of the panel… idiot. He spent 3 days replacing parts until he showed up on the 4th day with my MobileTouch working like a champ and the transceiver moved just 12 inches from the panel. I moved it while he was away after talking with the Pentair reps on the phone.
Thanks for all your suggestions.
I did go through the installation in detail today. There is definitely a programming or wiring problem with the heater. I did a big write up of what I found for the installer. He will be looking at this tomorrow. Will keep you posted. Thanks again!