How to get your money back!

MicasaVerde is not doing there work. They make a lot of promises which never get fulfilled. They don’t even bother about communicating to the very active community in this forum.

I think we should start to put some pressure on, I am no more willing to just wait and work for free.

According to this Micasa Verde guarantees compatibility to all kind of zwave devices: http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Guaranteed_Compatibility

Guaranteed to work with all Z-Wave and guaranteed to be bug-free
We guarantee that Vera will work with every Z-Wave device, or else Vera is free. If you have a Z-Wave device that we cannot get Vera to work with, you can keep Vera, and we’ll refund the purchase price of Vera, whether you bought Vera directly from our online shop or from someone else. The guarantee also protects you against any bugs in Vera. If one of Vera’s features does not work as explained in the user’s manual, and we cannot fix it, we will also reimburse you for the cost of Vera. See the exclusions below.
In order to qualify, you must notify us with a support request by visiting micasaverde.com, clicking support indicating that you have a Z-Wave device that Vera will not control, or a feature that is not working. You must put in the comments “Guaranteed Compatibility” so we have a record of the date the issue was first reported and can attach an appropriate priority to the support request. We will follow up and send you a bug report ID and a link to track our progress identifying the issue.
If Vera is not controlling a Z-Wave device, the Z-Wave device you are trying to control must be Zensys certified, meaning that it really is Z-Wave compliant. Proprietary device functions not part of the standard Z-Wave command classes are not covered. You must agree to pair the device with Vera and to give our developers access to your Z-Wave network by turning on what we call the ‘back door’, which is just 1 click, and allows us to remotely test your Z-Wave devices. You agree to give us 4 weeks from the date you give us access to get the device working. If, after 4 weeks the device is not being controlled by Vera, you can email us a copy of your receipt for Vera and we will reimburse you, either by check, wire transfer, or, if you bought Vera from online shop, by refunding your purchase. You do not need to return Vera; you can keep Vera anyway.
If a feature is not working, you must complete a support request the same way and explain what is not working and reference the section in the user’s manual that explains how it should work. Again, you agree to give us remote access to your system through the ‘back door’ feature and to give us 4 weeks to fix the problem. The problem must be something that you can reproduce, and you must be able to reproduce it while our tech support team is reviewing the issue with you. If, after 4 weeks, you can demonstrate that the problem still exists, we will reimburse you what you paid for Vera.
Either way, the 4 week start date for the guarantee is when you submit the support request with “Guaranteed Compatibility” in the comments.

There are thousands of problems in this forum, how can they say something like the above. As for me I have opened some tickets and I will ask my money back. I think micasa verde should be punished for what they are doing with us. Constantly ignoring users, promising things they can’t keep, talking about schedules which are unrealistic.

One of the problems I have which would already be enough to get the money back from my vera3:

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,8899.45.html

Vera3 can’t run on UI4, so no possibility to get the 3in1 ezmotion sensor working. => I get my money back for the vera3 if the problem is not resolved within 4 weeks.

Vera2 running on UI4 does support the ezmotion 3in1 sensor, but if using UI4 the AeonLabs MiniMote is not running. If I use UI5 the minimote workes, but the sensor is not working. => I can get my money back for the vera2.

Mine is working just fine, but thanks for blowing off that steam, was an amusing read ;D

[quote=“chixxi, post:2, topic:170524”]One of the problems I have which would already be enough to get the money back from my vera3:

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,8899.45.html

Vera3 can’t run on UI4, so no possibility to get the 3in1 ezmotion sensor working. => I get my money back for the vera3 if the problem is not resolved within 4 weeks.

Vera2 running on UI4 does support the ezmotion 3in1 sensor, but if using UI4 the AeonLabs MiniMote is not running. If I use UI5 the minimote workes, but the sensor is not working. => I can get my money back for the vera2.[/quote]

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mine isn’t work just motion work

please micasaverde update the firmware

The 3-in-1 sensor has been fixed in the new firmware.

ok thank you

by cons can have this firmware available for it is frustrating to buy a new vera and be a victim of bugs.
So let us come into beta team
otherwise meet the firmware available for the public eager to fix bugs according to their current configuration

thank you

yes I know, very nice. but it’s kind of like a Ferrari, very nice, but I don’t have it…

...but thanks for blowing off that steam...
yes that might be true, but blowing off steam helps, and I am really no impressed of the speed with which micasaverde fixes issues. and the worst thing is their communication...

really hoping to get the new firmware soon, and I also hope they announce it properly this time and i don’t have to get the links on facebook to update.

You’ll have that Ferrari soon :). We’re aiming for a Friday release.

You’ll have that Ferrari soon :). We’re aiming for a Friday release.[/quote]

Will we all get a Ferrari today ? ;D

Hopefully not, the Overview feature is kinda buggy and unpolished at the moment. It would take at least a day to fix the bugs and polish it.

Hopefully not, the Overview feature is kinda buggy and unpolished at the moment. It would take at least a day to fix the bugs and polish it.[/quote]

Any further information? Will it make it today, or do we wait patiently for another day?

how can they say something like the above.

We have paid out on money back guarantees in the past. Are you saying you or someone you know filed a claim, followed the steps on that page, and didn’t get a refund? If so, we’ll need to investigate, verify it, and a refund will get paid out.

the 3-in-1 sensor is not working

To my knowledge, this is not true, although it may seem like it. Z-Wave devices, like the 3-in-1, can report their status whenever it changes, and Vera will update the display, and this works fine for the 3-in-1. The issue is that the 3-in-1 only reports a change for motion; not temp or light. For temp and light, you have explicitly request this from the device (ie polling). Being a battery-operated device, though, you can only request it when the 3-in-1 wakes up periodically and broadcasts an “I’m awake, what do you want from me?” message. We used to ask for temp and light when this message came out. But we got complaints from the manufacturer that we were draining the batteries. There was no official policy from the Z-Wave alliance or manufacturers, but after discussions, we agreed to honor the manufacturer’s request to stop polling battery devices when they wake up. Thus the perception was that we had a bug or regression and stopped accepting temp/light readings from the 3-in-1, but that wasn’t the case. After we received complaints from several users we decided the only compromise would be implement a new feature allowing users to decide which battery operated devices to poll, and how often. We added this feature in the current beta. A new beta, 305, was uploaded today as promised, but the person who handles this isn’t in the office now and I don’t have the link. It should be announced in the private beta testers forum later today, and in the public beta test forum a couple days after that.

So the sensor doesn’t transmit temperature and light readings, and the manufacturer doesn’t want you to poll the device when it wakes up either. That sounds a little bit weird, how are we supposed to get those readings out, then?

By the way, I am getting decent battery life out of my HSM100. I’d be more concerned about the Danfoss thermostats, those things seem to go through their batteries in a month or so.

to qoute another poster “that sounds a little bit weird” I agree! First of all it would have been nice while all these complaints were coming in for someone to mention this. And yes, what is the venders proposed solution? They do not benefit from selling a device that doesnt work. This makes no sense at all. Where were these battery drain complaints coming from? I didn’t see any on this forum, I’ve been using them a long time and havn’t considered it an issue. For the past year I’ve never used polling at all and they’ve been working great. (are you saying that you have UI4 set to poll 3-in-1’s despite being turned off in the settings?)

He’s saying that they poll them when they wake up. The other poll settings are independent of this.

We used to ask for temp and light when this message came out. But we got complaints from the manufacturer that we were draining the batteries.

manufacturer = Ryherd Ventures? Are we talking about the HSM100 3-in-1 sensor or about a different sensor?

Never had a battery drain problem with my five HSM100 on UI4 (wakeup interval 1800 s).

…still driving my tractor and waiting for the ferrari…

When can we expect it? Oh, I know, this week… (maybe I should have a look on facebook to make sure I don’t miss it)

To my knowledge, this is not true, although it may seem like it. Z-Wave devices, like the 3-in-1, can report their status whenever it changes, and Vera will update the display, and this works fine for the 3-in-1. The issue is that the 3-in-1 only reports a change for motion; not temp or light.
lol, your saying it is working, but only one third of its functions. But after your release of UI5 I know that micasa is happy with one third working.
So the sensor doesn't transmit temperature and light readings, and the manufacturer doesn't want you to poll the device when it wakes up either. That sounds a little bit weird, how are we supposed to get those readings out, then?
I agree, micasa is talking crap. It doesn't make sense at all what you are explaining, and especially since they seemingly found a solution for it in the latest public beta (= the ferrari which is nice but which I don't have).

I have outdoor temperature changes from -17 up to +9 degrees Celsius, my heating is going completely crazy without sensors. Now I am the sensor going trough my home and adjusting all the heating-devices manually => that’s the opposite of what I wanted to do with the vera!

And what “public beta test forum” are you talking about?!

[quote=“chixxi, post:17, topic:170524”]…still driving my tractor and waiting for the ferrari…

When can we expect it? Oh, I know, this week… (maybe I should have a look on facebook to make sure I don’t miss it)

To my knowledge, this is not true, although it may seem like it. Z-Wave devices, like the 3-in-1, can report their status whenever it changes, and Vera will update the display, and this works fine for the 3-in-1. The issue is that the 3-in-1 only reports a change for motion; not temp or light.
lol, your saying it is working, but only one third of its functions. But after your release of UI5 I know that micasa is happy with one third working.
So the sensor doesn't transmit temperature and light readings, and the manufacturer doesn't want you to poll the device when it wakes up either. That sounds a little bit weird, how are we supposed to get those readings out, then?
I agree, micasa is talking crap. It doesn't make sense at all what you are explaining, and especially since they seemingly found a solution for it in the latest public beta (= the ferrari which is nice but which I don't have).

I have outdoor temperature changes from -17 up to +9 degrees Celsius, my heating is going completely crazy without sensors. Now I am the sensor going trough my home and adjusting all the heating-devices manually => that’s the opposite of what I wanted to do with the vera![/quote]

They were hoping to have a new build released last friday, but ran into some issues with a new feature that is taking longer to integrate than expected. MCV was also referring to other manufactures of battery operated devices that were complaining that polling the device was draining the batteries. As for the one third bit, the 3-in-1 only tells Vera when the motion has changed, Vera has to poll the 3-in-1 as soon as it wakes up to get the temp and light readings. Again, the polling and battery drain issue was related to other manufactures and not directly related to the HSM-100, this is was I gathered from another discussion.

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/board,33.0.html

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Concerning the HSM100:
To be honest, from a real mean end user perspective I really don’t care how it’s working and why it’s not working. The sensor is sold as a 3in1 zwave device, micasa guarantees compatibility, but it’s not working. I know why, but I basically don’t care.

Concerning the firmware update:
I think if you release a firmware like micasa did (basically firmware in alpha state), you should really concentrate on fixing the most important bugs right away and not delay the bugfixes due to new features.

Thanks for the update anyway, continuing to wait…

[quote=“chixxi, post:19, topic:170524”]Concerning the HSM100:
To be honest, from a real mean end user perspective I really don’t care how it’s working and why it’s not working. The sensor is sold as a 3in1 zwave device, micasa guarantees compatibility, but it’s not working. I know why, but I basically don’t care.

Concerning the firmware update:
I think if you release a firmware like micasa did (basically firmware in alpha state), you should really concentrate on fixing the most important bugs right away and not delay the bugfixes due to new features.

Thanks for the update anyway, continuing to wait…[/quote]

I agree on the firmware and fixes bugs before new features. I have mentioned this to them several times.

  • Garrett