Help to configure SP814 everspring motion detector

just bought a Vera Light, same problem with SP814-1 sensor,

I manage to setup all 6 possible parameters in the device options panel (by manually adding each) and when I set all the values to the defaults (‘d’) or monitor (‘m’) configuration goes fine and no errors from Vera.

Vera polls the values and shows all the defaults (which are slightly different from the defaults listed in the Everspring manual…)

When I change parameter 3,5, or 6 I get a configuration failed error.

(I did actually manage to change parameter 1 from 99 to 1, and parameter 4 (retrigger interval) from 5 to 10, which proves that all is properly configured on the Vera side I think?).
When I try to change parameter 3 sensitivity from the default 6 to 7… ‘configuration failed’… same when I tried to change the lux level sensitivity or on/off duration (fixed to 15 and not as the manual suggests 5…)

It is annoying not to be able to set sensitivity, on/off duration and lux level still. It might be either an Everspring error or Vera not sending the values correctly to the device (but seeing I managed to change parameter 1 and 4… I suspect it’s an Everspring problem?! how to open a support ticket with Everspring, any alternative ‘presence sensor’ to consider apart from the Everspring - EU versions I mean?)

LR

btw, as I read the manual, the SP814 does not ‘report’ light levels, it should just be able to set a ‘Lux level’ to make it decide when to generate trigger events and when not (suppress triggers/light on events when there’s already sufficient ambient light)

LR

I did it… still cannot believe but it’s working now! :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :wink: :wink: :smiley: :smiley: ;D ;D 8) 8) :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

For the past 3 hours I’ve been repeating the same steps over and over again and I cannot tell what /how/which timing exactly did it but the bottom line is: persevere and it is possible to set all 6 parameters of the SP814…

This must be either a bug in Vera Lite/UI5 or a sever communication problem between the everspring SP814 and vera/controller (maybe there is some issue with setting configuration parameters that the battery operated device only comes online very very briefly and the time window is too short to set all parameters correctly…? it does in the end seem to be random and after many tries I managed to get all parameters just the way I want them - and my battery is now showing 90% after all communication & resetting activity).

So… how to get the parameters set… still not 100% sure but roughly follow these steps:

  • go to the sensor configuration Device Options, add 6 parameters numbers 1 … 6 and set all on ‘default’ as a start (when the choice ‘default’ is selected the value behind is ignored and the device will reset the parameter value back to it’s default value).
  • close the dialog and press the big red ‘save’ on the top right and wait will you see a little green line under the sensor device box ‘waiting for the device to become active’. Then you press 3 times quickly on the tamper switch on the back of the SP814 (3 quick beeps, you have to complete the 3 presses within 1.5 seconds so press fast! triple click)
  • this should succeed, you can now wait till you see the parameters ‘current value’ shown in the sensor’s device option tab.
  • I think there’s some bug or communication with this as well, the parameters do not showup , you either have to wait a very long time or you have to be lucky to do a ‘poll’ just at the same instance that the device has a wakeup moment. To increase my chances I’ve set the poll interval to 10 seconds and the device wakeup interval to the minimum value of 60 seconds - but even then it took an awful long time before I finally managed to get the ‘current parameters’ (shown the default values of 0,1,6,15,10,15 or similar - whatever you device has as defaults, mine seems to be giving slightly different values from what’s printed in the manual as 0,1,6,5,10,5).
  • now you set all parameters to the values that you wish them to be , and choose the selection ‘1 byte decimal’ (unless you have values > 127 or 255 … not sure, but in that case select ‘2 byte decimal’; anyway this setting does not really seem to matter, probably 4 byte decimal works just as well for all parameters, just make sure that you do not leave the setting on ‘monitor’ or ‘default’ if you want the parameter to change to your preferred setting!).
  • in the advanced tab clear the VariablesGet field to clear the ‘current parameters’ (so that you know when a fresh set is retrieved from the SP814)
  • close the dialog and click on the red save button
  • wait till you see the ‘waiting for device to be come active’ message and triple click the tamper switch on the SP814.
  • most likey you now get a red error message ‘configuration failed’, don’t panic, just keep trying till you drop ;-0
  • I went to the ‘settings tab’ and clicked ‘configure node right now’, then when the green text under the sensor box showed some activity I quickly pressed 3x on the tamper switch
  • I clicked on poll now , then quickly 3x tamper switch, then on the big ‘Reload’ button on the top, waiting to get a fresh set of ‘current values’
  • in most cases after several ‘poll’, ‘reload’, ‘configure now’, triple clicks of the tamper switch I eventually got a new set of ‘current parameter’ values and what suprised me that some of the parameters were actually set correctly. In my last attempt 3 out of 4 parameters that I changed did actually change.
  • I continued for another 45 minutes trying to get the 4th parameter corrected: change the value in the Device Options tab a little bit (e.g. +1), then save the settings and when ‘waiting for device to become active’ 3x click tamper switch
  • if you get an error again, change the value again +1 or now -1 and repeat the process
  • keep repeating those steps till at some point no error is shown

MCV - please please investigate what is going on here and if you can improve something in Vera/Vera Lite/UI5 to make this process easier or if you can fully blame Everspring for the problems (but now I’m not so sure about that anymore, the device seems to work perfectly well on all its functions once the parameters are set).

Ok let me tell you what I discovered on the ‘functionaly’ of this device (which I finally could test properly after having the parameters set to some decent values :-):

  • the device has 2 association groups: group 1 is intended to communicate with the controller, max 1 node; it’ll send reports of ‘presence’ and ‘battery’ to the vera controller at any time and completely ignores the ‘lux sensitivity’ setting (i.e. it’ll report movements no matter if it’s light or dark in the room - this is the ‘alarm’ scenario where you want to get notified of a break in day time and night time; it makes sense).

For this group the parameters 2 (enable/disable), 3 (sensitivity), 4 (retrigger interval) all work just fine. However parameter 5 (lux level) and 6 (on-off duration) are completely ignored for reports in this group.

Group 2 can be used to associate up to 3 other zwave devices directly, i.e. control a light switch and a sirene fully autonomously (without the need for 'scene’s and the vera controller). The SP814 will directly send a value of ‘BASIC Set Level’ (parameter 1) to each device in group 2. You can perform those associations from the Device options tab by entering Group Id ‘2’ and then press the add group button and choose the ‘Set’ button.

Now the special magic: the devices associated in Group 2 will only be triggered when the ‘Lux Level’ is met, i.e. when it is dark enough in your room (dark below the level set, i.e. I set Lux Level=3 , which means 3% of fully bright dayligth and with that setting the associated light switch only switched on the light when all my lights in the living room were switched off, with some lights switched on the lamp switch was not activated).

I haven’t fully tested yet (as I’m not too interested in those group 2 associations yet), but I assume that the On-Off duration also only applies to the devices associated in Group 2; i.e. if you set it to 300 your associated lamp switch will remain on for 5 minutes after being triggered, then switch off. The green led will blink after 15 seconds of the interval to indicate that the associated devices group is still active… as I understand it. Not sure it’ll keep blinking every 15 seconds thereafter or just once.

LR

Well done! A few days ago I filed a request to look into this issue. This will probably increase the odds that it will be working properly soon.

Did you find out how to operate the build in 60 dB siren?

the SP814 does not have a built in sirene as far as I know :-), it’s only a motion sensor from what I’ve seen in the manual

This comes from the text of the webshop where I bought the device:

The device has changable lenses to optimize the monitoring of the room. A built in 60 db siren can be used if the sensor is in security application mode. A built in light sensor can be used to detec ambient light.

But I think you are right, since there is no reference to it in the manual at all…

I guess that’s right :frowning:
the everspring website says: “Built-in 60dB beep tone reminding sound”
it looks that its only there to generate reminding sounds rather then a sirene function

see also

[url=http://www.everspringindustry.com/Products/Home_Automation_Detail.asp?parentUID=83&UID=497&CateUIDList=0,83]http://www.everspringindustry.com/Products/Home_Automation_Detail.asp?parentUID=83&UID=497&CateUIDList=0,83[/url]

[quote=“luv4rice, post:23, topic:168419”]I did it… still cannot believe but it’s working now! :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :wink: :wink: :smiley: :smiley: ;D ;D 8) 8) :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

15 seconds thereafter or just once.

LR[/quote]
Wooooww thanks for this report.

I’m actually trying to configure my SP814 and i hope i could add this value to my conf.

Because, with the default value i’m really disapointed, this device do not works properly, i mean even at 1 meter there is no detection…

Now with the correct value, you think this is a good product ? I want to use it to build an home alarm.
Could you tell me which value do you use ? specially for sensitivity.

Thanks a lot for your feedback

I’ve got several of these devices, and I was able to configure the sensitivity from 6 to 8 and it’s fine for me. BUT, I find that there is a random delay from moving in front of the detector to it actually reporting the movement. It seems to vary between almost instant and 1200ms. My guess is that it has with battery saving to do, but it is really annoying and has made me purchase extra magnetic door sensors just to speed up turning on the lights. Please let me know if you find a more responsive motion sensor.
As for other parameters besides the sensitivity, I’ve given up for the most part. Do expect to spend a lot of time if you choose to try.

i’m always having the same message “Failed at: Setting user configuration”

even if i try the procedure below…

I have the same problem too.

[quote=“luv4rice, post:23, topic:168419”]Group 2 can be used to associate up to 3 other zwave devices directly, i.e. control a light switch and a sirene fully autonomously (without the need for 'scene’s and the vera controller). The SP814 will directly send a value of ‘BASIC Set Level’ (parameter 1) to each device in group 2. You can perform those associations from the Device options tab by entering Group Id ‘2’ and then press the add group button and choose the ‘Set’ button.

Now the special magic: the devices associated in Group 2 will only be triggered when the ‘Lux Level’ is met, i.e. when it is dark enough in your room (dark below the level set, i.e. I set Lux Level=3 , which means 3% of fully bright dayligth and with that setting the associated light switch only switched on the light when all my lights in the living room were switched off, with some lights switched on the lamp switch was not activated).

I haven’t fully tested yet (as I’m not too interested in those group 2 associations yet), but I assume that the On-Off duration also only applies to the devices associated in Group 2; i.e. if you set it to 300 your associated lamp switch will remain on for 5 minutes after being triggered, then switch off. The green led will blink after 15 seconds of the interval to indicate that the associated devices group is still active… as I understand it. Not sure it’ll keep blinking every 15 seconds thereafter or just once.

LR[/quote]

Does this also work if i only want to switch a ligth on based only on the lux level that i set on the motion detector? I have the motion detector in the hall that ony switch the light on based on lux level and movement. But i would like to use the lux level on the motion detector for the light in the living room. Is this possible? So i don’t have to schedule the light on at a specific time but based on the lux level.

With kind regards!

Ok… my vera sees the SP814. now next thing I would like to see is the light level (to be used for schemes in vera). Anyone knows if this is possible? like a “seperate sensor” in vera?
other annoying thing is the led that blinks when motion is detected, is that possible to switch off?

Thanks!

[quote=“slelieveld, post:33, topic:168419”]Ok… my vera sees the SP814. now next thing I would like to see is the light level (to be used for schemes in vera). Anyone knows if this is possible? like a “seperate sensor” in vera?
other annoying thing is the led that blinks when motion is detected, is that possible to switch off?

Thanks![/quote] i’m afraid that it’s only could be realized in Lua code, if i’ll realize it in code, i’ll tell you in this topic. but now i can’t even associate SP814 with vera, and this topic can’t help me at all! :-[ :-\ :cry:

@noother,

Welcome!

From the manual I’m not sure the device supports reporting the light level.

What have you tried to include the sensor / tried excluding first?

[quote=“oTi@, post:35, topic:168419”]@noother,

Welcome!

From the manual I’m not sure the device supports reporting the light level.

What have you tried to include the sensor / tried excluding first?[/quote]

thanks, already got it! now playing with sensor.

Did anybody succeed to change the parameter 2 to 0? I tried so many times but it failed. To read is fine, but not to write.
I want to disable the motion detect while the sensor is not armed - to save the battery

Regards,
Vio

Has there been any development on this issue?
I want to configure the sensitivity on my SP814 and are wondering how to do it without to much tweaking.

i was ablt to set parameter 6 everytime with procedure below:

set desired value with 2 byte dec for parameter 6
save
i get the failed message
i open the device and click confgure node now, and immediatly press the sensor button 3 times within 1.5 seconds .
and it works. hope this help.

Vera2 UI5 1.5.408

Thank you. I was able to set the correct setting now.