How do I go about transferring scenes and devices from Vera to my GE/Jasco 45601 Advanced Controller?
I have successfully added it to Vera but I don’t know how to get the scenes from vera to work from the remote.
Any help?
Thanks,
Darrell
Maybe its the same as this:
Yes that works…
So for the 45601 controller
Since the 45601 doesn’t have a “z-wave button” like 45608
To connect
On the remote
[ul][li]Press Light >Hold Setup until setup is activated > Press right arrow until “Transfer” [/li][/ul]
On the Vera
[ul][li]Add a Z-Wave battery operated remote[/li][/ul]
To add a scene
[ul][li]in the ui Scene add an event
[/li][li]Select the device, activate/deactivate, name and scene number [/li]
[li]The scene number will correspond the scene on the remote[/li][/ul]
Thanks,
Darrell[/list]
OK, I’ve bought and returned, then rebought 2 of the 45601 remotes. This previous post is the most clear directions I’ve found to get it paired and able to trigger scenes using “scene is activated”. This works fine.
My problem is getting the “scene is deactivated” to work. My understanding is that I add the deactivate scene in UI4 (as above) then re-pair using:
[i]To connect On the remote Press Light >Hold Setup until setup is activated > Press right arrow until "Transfer" On the Vera Add a Z-Wave battery operated remote[/i]
This transfers the new deactivate scene from Vera to the remote. But it does not work.
I’m new, but I’ve done some amazing things with Vera in 3 weeks, recreating my entire x-10 homeseer setup and it is working better than homeseer. This includes 20+ modules, a lock, 4 door sensors, and tons of conditional logic based on door status, time of day, and module status. I am quickly learning the peculiarities of Vera and z-wave.
But the remotes are frustrating me. I miss my palmpads with the house/device dials…so simple.
The “de-activate scenes” do not work with the remote. The “off” scenes are sort of extensions that only work for lights. So if you have a scene that turns on a light, the off button can turn it off. Once you create the scene on Vera, then you need to do the Transfer operation again. Vera will instruct the remote to directly control the light (both on and off). There are several much more technical explanations of this available on this board.
I can get this working with on/off the ‘commands’ tab, but it does not work if the scene uses:
luup.call_action(“urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:HomeAutomationGateway1”, “RunScene”, {SceneNum=“32”}, 0)
…instead to execute a scene. Should this work?
Also, with my working simple one light scene, I get some double triggers. I press 1 on, my lamp comes on. I press 1 off, the light goes off, then back on. very strange.
I tried setting this up to have button 1 control a virtual device. I did the re-receive, and it will not turn off a virtual device. It will turn it on, not off.
My thought was I could setup up virtual devices for each remote button. Then I could alter my scenes based on the virtual device without having to re-learn the remote each time.
edit…
this explains it. the off button only talks directly to devices, not to vera.
what you describe is normal function, vera runs a scene only to the "on" buttons, not the off buttons, that is why it takes a while to get updated status when you use the off buttons. There is no such thing as a "reverse scene", in other words there is no automated "reverse everything done in scene X" which makes sense due to the many variables possible in a scene. when you use the "off" button on your remote the remote itself is acting as a secondary controller to turn your switch directly so Vera doesn't know what happened until she polls again as you said, that being said the remote can only control "scene aware" devices so for example say I have remote button 1 "on" turn on several lights and arm my motion sensors when I press 1 "off" the lights will go out but the sensors will not disarm since they are not scene aware, I have to use another "on" button (ex: 2 on) to run a different scene disarming my motion sensors, if i add the lights out commands here Vera will run them (as well as the remote) and the status will be updated in real time
When you re-associate the controller to Vera, both Vera and the controller are producing the same commands. Depending on the time between the On & Off button presses, you can have what seem to be phantom actions due to the association working quicker than Vera. When Vera catches up she then performs her commands. Slow down on the On/Off toggles and see if everything works correctly.
JOD.
OK, after a break from these things I decided to give it another go.
firmware 1245
Related devices & scenes:
_scene controller (device #44)
scene#67: remote buttons
event trigger 1: #44, a scene is activated, which scene number: 1
luup event: scene#26 accent lights on
– 1 activated accent on
luup.call_action(“urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:HomeAutomationGateway1”,
“RunScene”, {SceneNum=“26”}, 0)
event trigger 2: #44, a scene is de-activated, which scene number: 1
luup event: scene#29 accent lights off
-- 1 deactivated accent off
luup.call_action("urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:HomeAutomationGateway1",
"RunScene", {SceneNum="29"}, 0)
Step 1:
_scene controller (device #44) is successfully added by:
-in UI4: add/remove z-wave devices, add z-wave devices, battery operated remote add
-on remote: hold setup, arrow to transfer, arrow to receive, OK
Step 2:
add scene #67 above
Step 3: repeat step #1 (re-add device 44)
The button 1 on works, button 1 off does not work.
what am I doing wrong?
I do not believe that you can associate a scene with an off button on this remote. If you control your lights directly with the on scene, you can then turn the lights off directly with the off button on the remote. Once you have put your devices in the on scene, then just go through the include process again with the remote. Vera will tell the remote to directly control the lights. The remote will also tell Vera that the on button has been pressed.
As @wscannell stated, that is how it is. There are some other threads discussing this.
The GE stuff does not support Z-Wave scenes. GE does have their own concept of a scene, and what on/off means in relation to a scene. Only the ‘on’ part of a scene is programmable, either directly on the remote, or with Vera. The ‘off’ part of a scene is not programmable, it’s automatic: it switches everything in the associated scene off.
Only devices that can be directly controlled by the remote get programmed into the remote by Vera (i.e. switches, dimmers). Therefore, only those devices will be switched off by the remote as well.
This means that when programming the remote with Vera, you get the exact behavior the remote would have standalone, plus you get Vera to kick off additional things when pressing the ‘on’ button.
Thanks for the explanations. I get it now, but I don’t like it. 
I hate to ask, but same sitch for the sexy-but-overpriced 45631? I don’t have one, but I used a couple of X10 stick-a-switches…which were $10…and easy to assign any button to any scene.
There are some recent threads on this.
I don’t have one either, but it sounds like you can only reliably do groups, programmed on the device itself, and more bizarre, allegedly only NodeId’s up to 32.