DSC 1616 panel, what do I need and phone required?

Hello all Vera members,

I’m getting quite a wealth of knowledge and reading these forums like crazy and picking up some really neat hardware.
First off, THANK YOU SOOO MUCH for these forums and all your contributions.
I don’t even have the Vera3 yet, but I already feel like I’m going to have to just hook all this up and then play with “trick it out” in 3 months.

Questions I have before moving forward on DSC panel.
Will the DSC 1616 work with other keypads or android tabs/ipads?
I plan on putting in wireless window contacts and 3-6 hardwired glass breaks and motions.

  1. Why would one need the phone hooked up to DSC board if mobile alerts, sirens and locks? Do you guys reccomend doing this with cell backup or ordering an archaic analog phone system? I see al the homesecuritystore.com packages come with phone cord.
  2. Can you all recommend me glass breaks for DSC/Vera that they are happy with?
  3. Can you all recommend me motions that you all are happy with? Hopefully some that will work with a 80lb & 10lb dog.
  4. Can you guys recommend must have motion detection architecture for triggering lighting or other scenes? (ie, master bath motion so you get a dimmed light when peeing in the middle of the night. Or motion at kitchen so low voltage toe kick turns on if you walk by the kitchen late at night.Or motion at garage so light turns on when you enter garage on.) Please just anything you have really enjoyed that you think I may miss otherwise, please recommend. I was planning on just wiring motions for security until I got to thinking a little deeper this evening.
    I don’t have the automation architecture eye quite yet, but thought it may be cool to turn on certain items in the house (audio/video/lights/locks) by triggering a scene with these cheap motion detectors

Right now I have:
PC with a plan to use BlueIris
5000’ cat6
Lots of 22/4 (panels)
Some RG6
Lots of 14/2 speaker cable for in wall and on wall
Hikvision ip cam’s x 7
Vera3

Plan on ordering:
Siren
Strobe
motions
zwave thermos
MyQ garage door liftmasters
Wireless door sensors
Lighting controllers
Video matrix
Deadbolt zwave
Audio disty system ??? ← need help here
4x cable box
2x google/apple/roku boxes (which is recco’d?)
2x blueray
2x network drives
Ac68u router

Any recommendations and answers to the above are greatly appreciated!

Got my phone question answered on the DSC phone line thing. Let me know if you all can help with

1. Can you all recommend me glass breaks for DSC/Vera that they are happy with? 2. Can you all recommend me motions that you all are happy with? Hopefully some that will work with a 80lb & 10lb dog. 3. Can you guys recommend must have motion detection architecture for triggering lighting or other scenes? (ie, master bath motion so you get a dimmed light when peeing in the middle of the night. Or motion at kitchen so low voltage toe kick turns on if you walk by the kitchen late at night.Or motion at garage so light turns on when you enter garage on.) Please just anything you have really enjoyed that you think I may miss otherwise, please recommend. I was planning on just wiring motions for security until I got to thinking a little deeper this evening. I don't have the automation architecture eye quite yet, but thought it may be cool to turn on certain items in the house (audio/video/lights/locks) by triggering a scene with these cheap motion detectors

You do not need the phone line but you will need to disable TLM.

I would suggest you consider the various model 1832 or 1864 if they are within your finances. 16 zones are used pretty quickly.

Glass break? Is it required to cover home invasion? Glass break normal use is window front smash and grab scenarios. Home if they come in via a window, motion sensor should cover access area plus they are normally more cost effective and easier to test hence more zones greater reuse of motion for HA

If you buy the EVL3 which provides the integration you can use with both iPhone and Andriod plus through Vera compatible apps.

You still need the keypad…

Get the 5500 keypad. So much easier to configure since it has a lot more detail than the 5501 keypad.

I’m not sure which motions I have since I reused the ones from an old install. I think most wired motion sensors are going to be good. Alarm system motions are a lot better than the zwave ones.

I haven’t bought any whole home audio stuff, but my research has lead me to a Russound system probably. You can get a 6x6 system on eBay for less than $150-200.

Thanks guys. I should add that I have pretty nice casement windows with AC. It will be rare that windows will be left “wide open” and the window manufacturer says it would be hard to wedge a window open large enough to fit a body through without breaking it, even if it was left open.

I have 90lb and smaller 10lb dog and could easily do motion, however I’m afraid it will trip the motions with pet sensitivity. Anyone else have a sheppard or larger lab and a motion that is has been very reliable without faults?

My idea with glass-break is an arming event when on stay or away, is that it will go off if the break in snaps glass which is most likely to happen even if a window is left open.

I thoguht this would save money (a few glass breaks) vs. 15 or so wireless window sensors (lots of windows). Thoughts?

Also, do you feel that the 5507 vs the 5500 is worth the extra $100? I really like the look of the LCD colored panel.

Also on window sensors. Is it worthwhile buying wireless DSC compatible ones but not Zwave?

The guys at homesecuritystore.com just told me with a 10lb and a 90lb you are wasting your money trying to guard with motion. He says you will get a ton of false alarms.

As @Brientim stated, EVL-3 is the key here. It is what integrates the panel into just about everything. It will let you receive alerts and carry out self-monitoring thru Eyezon, and it also lets you integrate into Vera so your controller can see all the sensors as devices. This also allows you to get notifications thru Vera. I have chosen to receive all notifications thru Vera so everything comes from one place.

The EVL-3 will allow ANY sensor hooked up to your DSC be recognized as a device on Vera. However, the plug-in only outputs Door, Motion, and Smoke zones, which you must define upon set-up, but this is only determines how the zone is displayed on your dashboard. I will have a driveway sensor, doorbells and CO detectors on my system, none of which have set zone types within the plug-in, so the driveway sensor shows as a motion sensor, doorbells display as door zones and CO detectors as smokes. This means if you did decide to go with glass breaks, the dashboard will only let you define them as one of those 3 types of zones.

1. Can you all recommend me glass breaks for DSC/Vera that they are happy with?

I also agree with Brientim’s point that you should use strategically placed motions in place of glass breaks. This will allow you to use these sensors for occupancy based automation where the glass breaks are only good for intrusion. If you decide they are necessary, as stated above, all of them will work.

There are other apps that also use EVL-3 to access your panel. One in particular for Android lets you access the panel directly and use the device as a keypad. The DSC keypad app is called ‘DSC Security Keypad’. All of the Home Automation Apps access the Vera and all of its devices thru the controller.

2. Can you all recommend me motions that you all are happy with? Hopefully some that will work with a 80lb & 10lb dog.

There are tons of different motions on the market, most of which have a PIR rating of some sort. The devices I have found that have the highest PIR rating is the Visonic line. I tested out the V-pet (also very cost effective) on a 40+ pound pooch with no issues. They are rated to 80 lb. and one PIR detector in their product line is rated for 85 lb.

3. Can you guys recommend must have motion detection architecture for triggering lighting or other scenes?

This will be determined by:

[ul][li]individual behavior[/li]
[li]household layout[/li]
[li]automation goals[/li]
[li]schedule[/li][/ul]

Everyone has ‘cool’ ideas, but they may not pique your interest or be something you may want to do. I would suggest setting up your system so every room is ‘wired’. Put a door sensor on every often used door, and a motion in every often used room. Alarm sensors are much cheaper than Z-wave sensors and extremely reliable, so wire up everything you can. This way, when you dream up some scene that’ll blow your mind, you can make it happen. This would also lead to getting more than just a DSC1616. The cost difference between a 1616 and an 1864 is negligible. I would strongly suggest taking this route.

Audio disty system ??? <- need help here

There are a few plug-in supported systems in Vera. I have researched Russound and Sonos wireless. There is a lot of info on here about both systems and both have merits. I particularly like the voice notifications that have been done successfully thru Sonos, and the fact that they are wireless. They are a little pricey, but by the time you hook speakers and keypads up to a Russound, your committed to spending a few dollars. Russound requires running Cat5/6 to every room, but it appears you have enough cable to wire to the moon. The Russound system only supports serial communication to the Vera, which poses a few challenges to some. Sonos requires no extra cables as it communicates with the speakers via existing Ethernet/wireless.

2x google/apple/roku boxes (which is recco'd?)

I would personally recommend the Google box running XBMC. The Google boxes only require an Ethernet connection and they aren’t restricted to just running XBMC. They run an Android OS so they can run any app. available thru Google, including the home automation apps. This means if you set up your cameras at the front door and have a TV in your room, you can see who just rang the doorbell at 5:30 AM without rolling out of bed and putting pants on. XBMC is an excellent freeware Media Center an is also plug-in supported within Vera, and SONOS has an Android app, opening up another level of possible home automation wizardry. This is the only set-top device that allows this level of versatility. I am a big fan of iOS products, but when it comes to a set top box, you are handcuffed by Apple’s ‘control measures’.

I would like to make the disclaimer that I have only researched all of this myself and I am currently in the planning stage as your are, but I have done countless hours of research and for me, I will be taking the SONOS/XBMC route based on versatility, ease of integration, and level of control. I have spent COUNTLESS hours researching this, and this is what I feel is best suited to my needs.

Programming the panel with the 5501 is much more difficult because it has a very limited character display. Like poking around in the dark. The 5500 gives you visual confirmation. They are $50 more where I bought my system, but worth it IMO.

Also on window sensors. Is it worthwhile buying wireless DSC compatible ones but not Zwave?

Yes it is. DSC sensors will integrate into the Vera, but z-wave sensors will not integrate into your DSC. They are also more reliable.

I thoguht this would save money (a few glass breaks) vs. 15 or so wireless window sensors (lots of windows). Thoughts?

For straight up intrusion detection, you are probably on the right track. However, I would still install motions in these rooms for the sake of home automation. They can be set up in the panel as non-alarm sensors if necessary.

Window sensors are nice … Your automation can shutoff the AC if windows are open and/or warn you.
Also the alarm will let you know if you left a window open when you are leaving.

A lot of windows … that’s why I have a DSC 1664 … plus lots of motion sensors.

Programming the panel with the 5500 is much more difficult because it has a very limited character display. Like poking around in the dark. The 5501 gives you visual confirmation. They are $50 more where I bought my system, but worth it IMO.

Also on window sensors. Is it worthwhile buying wireless DSC compatible ones but not Zwave?

Yes it is. DSC sensors will integrate into the Vera, but z-wave sensors will not integrate into your DSC. They are also more reliable.

I thoguht this would save money (a few glass breaks) vs. 15 or so wireless window sensors (lots of windows). Thoughts?

For straight up intrusion detection, you are probably on the right track. However, I would still install motions in these rooms for the sake of home automation. They can be set up in the panel as non-alarm sensors if necessary.[/quote]

The 5501 is for sure the one with the limited display. The 5500 has an easier multiline display and zone labels. The one case where the higher number is not the better one!

We have a 65lb lab and the DSC pet immune motions have been great. However, to truly guard against false trips, we still arm the house in ‘stay’ mode when he’s inside. I can only imagine a 90lb shepherd would be much more likely to trip your motions.

However, that said, we are using our DSC wired motion sensors to trigger scenes in the house (turn lights on/off) etc. Wired sensors are way more reliable than wireless and highly recommended if you intend to tie motion sensors into your automation plans. In case you haven’t read yet, it’s important to be aware that DSC wireless motions have a six second delay before any signal will be sent. This is by design in order to avoid false trips.

I only used wired motion sensors because they are heavily used by my automation.

You are correct sir. I have edited my original post to read correctly. Typo :-\

So if I do the PC1864NK [url=http://www.homesecuritystore.com/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=1422&SEName=pc1864nk-dsc-power-series-1864-control-board-enclosure]http://www.homesecuritystore.com/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=1422&SEName=pc1864nk-dsc-power-series-1864-control-board-enclosure[/url]

Do you reccomend paying the extra $30 to get the 64 zone cable one?

PK5500ENG [url=http://www.homesecuritystore.com/p-1540-pk5500eng-dsc-custom-alpha-keypad-with-english-function-keys.aspx]http://www.homesecuritystore.com/p-1540-pk5500eng-dsc-custom-alpha-keypad-with-english-function-keys.aspx[/url]
vs.
RFK5564ENG [url=http://www.homesecuritystore.com/p-2357-rfk5564eng-dsc-powerseries-64-zone-lcd-keypad-w-built-in-wireless-receiver.aspx]http://www.homesecuritystore.com/p-2357-rfk5564eng-dsc-powerseries-64-zone-lcd-keypad-w-built-in-wireless-receiver.aspx[/url]

The PK is not a wireless receiver, so your system will only support wired zones if you use this keypad. If you want to have wireless zones on your system, you will require a keypad that starts with RFK. Using a PK5500 will still allow you to support 64 zones, but they all must be wired.

Assuming that you are comparing an RFK5500 and an RFK5564, the difference here is the number of wireless zones that are supported. With the 5500, you will only have 32 wireless zones available, and they will have to be within the first 32 zones assigned. The 5564 increases that number to 64. If you plan on having a fully wireless system, the 5564 is the way to go. Otherwise, the 5500 is adequate.

You can use a TR5164 module to interface wireless devices if you use keypads without the wireless option.
This is preferred if the keypad is paced in a location that does not have good radio connectivity to all of your wireless devices.

It also allows you to use a Wireless keypad … however … in this mode only 1 partition is supported.