Zipato Miny Keypad/RFiD

Other Devices & Integrations Door Locks & Sensors
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I have the latest firmware of UI7 with the Vera Edge, 1.7.1248.

I added the tag reader (is same as be-next I believe) as a generic device, Vera recognized it immediately as a keypad. Once it is recognized, have some patience (a general good advice for adding stuff), as soon as Vera has found the device, it will start adding functionality to it. It took a few minutes before all options became available.

Go to devices,
then select keypad,
select Pin codes,
click add badge. (You can also select “add pin code” btw)

The system will now tell you to give the “to be added” badge a name, push the home or away button and to put the new badge in front of it.
Immediately after this, the new badge nr will be added, and the system is updated.
Make sure you name your badge correctly from the start. You cannot modify it afterwards, except for deleting it and adding it again.

For me the setup is straight forward and done in a breeze.

Since the tags can be named, you know who is entering the house or leaving. You can ask the system to send an email for this etc.

Let me know if it works for you?

Eric

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[quote=“EricwithVera, post:41, topic:182328”]I have the latest firmware of UI7 with the Vera Edge, 1.7.1248.

I added the tag reader (is same as be-next I believe) as a generic device, Vera recognized it immediately as a keypad. Once it is recognized, have some patience (a general good advice for adding stuff), as soon as Vera has found the device, it will start adding functionality to it. It took a few minutes before all options became available.

Go to devices,
then select keypad,
select Pin codes,
click add badge. (You can also select “add pin code” btw)

The system will now tell you to give the “to be added” badge a name, push the home or away button and to put the new badge in front of it.
Immediately after this, the new badge nr will be added, and the system is updated.
Make sure you name your badge correctly from the start. You cannot modify it afterwards, except for deleting it and adding it again.

For me the setup is straight forward and done in a breeze.

Since the tags can be named, you know who is entering the house or leaving. You can ask the system to send an email for this etc.

Let me know if it works for you?

Eric[/quote]

Hi Eric,

Your response is highly appreciated, so based on your findings I’ve ordered the Zipato wt-rfid.eu keypad version.

The BeNext version looks similar but is apparently not the same version as the Zipato version, since it shows up as a door lock, and having it as a doorlock means certain functions can not be used like detecting home/away mode etc. And trust me I did hours, and hours of research on the BeNext model but without any success. I’ve tried contacting Vera support, after 2 days they came back with a answer not related to my question… I’ve asked if they could use the same device template on the BeNext model which they use for the Zipato version…

So for others reading this:
The BeNext keypad looks similar as the Zipato one, but once installed you will notice the following behaviour;

  • Installed as a Key Lock
  • Home/Away mode not usable in scenes, since the modes are not recognized by Vera
  • Only on Tag can be added, and this will occupy position 1 of the 10 pincodes you can set.
  • For this version it was needed to install the PlugIn TagReader

@Eric: One more question, did you also needed to install the Plugin TagReader for the Zipato version to program the various FOBS? I’ll let you know how it works with the Zipato version.

Regards,
Pierre

Using: VeraEdge UI7, Version 1.7.1248

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Hey Pierre,

No, only installed it using the add generic device…

let me know if all woks?

Eric

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Hi Eric !

Thank you very much for the detailed installation, since you have UI7 and a working zipato keypad, can you give us the firmware version of the device ?
I also have the zipato keypad, under UI7 on a vera3 and its is not working as expected, still the same as UI5, so added as a doorlock with only one tag that can be added…

Also under the add device menu, you can find the keypad, no need to use general device, when I tried it several times mine was detected with another id as the one that was expected by the vera…

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He Eric,

Today the zipato keypad came in, hooked it up and it is working. You were right the vera reconized this directly as a keypad with the capability of using multiple tags also the scenes home and away are working. So even that the benext version is looking 100% similar there is a difference. Thanks again for your feedback.

For other forum members the benext keypad isn’t working correctly since it is reconized as a doorlock the zipato one is reconized correctly and gives you all the options. I’ve bought the zipato eu version at Amazon.fr

Best regards

Pierre

[quote=“EricwithVera, post:43, topic:182328”]Hey Pierre,

No, only installed it using the add generic device…

let me know if all woks?

Eric[/quote]

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[quote=“giantpopples, post:44, topic:182328”]Hi Eric !

Thank you very much for the detailed installation, since you have UI7 and a working zipato keypad, can you give us the firmware version of the device ?
I also have the zipato keypad, under UI7 on a vera3 and its is not working as expected, still the same as UI5, so added as a doorlock with only one tag that can be added…

Also under the add device menu, you can find the keypad, no need to use general device, when I tried it several times mine was detected with another id as the one that was expected by the vera…[/quote]

…only thing I could find with my noob knowledge was this:

ManufacturerInfo
151,24881,17665

VersionInfo
3,2,97,0,28

Hope this helps, or help me finding it?
Firmware of my Vera Edge is: 1.7.1320, and the keypad worked with the previous (and I believe with the previous 2) firmware version…

grtz,

Eric

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Hello all,

I am new to all this. I am looking for a solution like this for locking and unlock z-wave doors. Is this such a solution? Does it integrate in the UI so that from there I can say lock or unlock a z-wave door lock? Or am I completely misunderstanding all this? The goal is a access system for multiple persons to a building. To integrate it in to Veraedge and to have it communicating with a z-wave door lock. So when a RFiD gets lost, it can just be deactivated from Veraedge.

Thanks in advance
Roberto

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I’m glad this finally works the way it should! The keypad was useless before with just one badge that worked…

This may be a really simple question but where can I choose to change home and away modes when making a scene? I want the vera to change to away mode when I press the away button on the keypad. (and the other way around home = home)

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…should be automatic. The mode changes are recognised in Vera, and change to the stae you select…

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[quote=“roberto99, post:47, topic:182328”]Hello all,

I am new to all this. I am looking for a solution like this for locking and unlock z-wave doors. Is this such a solution? Does it integrate in the UI so that from there I can say lock or unlock a z-wave door lock? Or am I completely misunderstanding all this? The goal is a access system for multiple persons to a building. To integrate it in to Veraedge and to have it communicating with a z-wave door lock. So when a RFiD gets lost, it can just be deactivated from Veraedge.

Thanks in advance
Roberto[/quote]

can anyone help me with this?
Roberto

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The idea of this device is not to unlock a door, that said technically you COULD do that, but it would be very impractical.

This device has two modes locked/unlocked or rather home/away mode.

The best use of this device would be to act as a alarm control panel, say you leave home you set the panel in AWAY mode. When you get home you use RFID tag or code to Deactivate alarm.

Again that said, you could use it to control a z-wave locks in a scene, by detecting when u set it in home or away mode. it would unlock the door, In UI5 you could via the vera set it in lock/unlock home/away mode. I dont see this in ui7 anymore.

Which means that if you use tag to go into “home” mode, it will stay there until you press the button to go back to away mode.
This is why i think it would be impractical to use it.

It would works as you ask if you could use it to unlock a door then a timed event or magnetic contact in door ,would reset keypad to “away” mode.

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Many thanks for the explanation mrhex.

Greetings
Roberto

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One question about this keypad, It does make a sound or beep after you open the front door of your house?, to alert that there’s an alarm that has to be deactivated. It’s deterrent if someone gets in your house.

Thanks

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[quote=“smashwings, post:53, topic:182328”]One question about this keypad, It does make a sound or beep after you open the front door of your house?, to alert that there’s an alarm that has to be deactivated. It’s deterrent if someone gets in your house.

Thanks[/quote]

The device is battery powered and therefore asleep most of the time. It can be configured to be permanently awake but the batteries would die quickly. When it’s asleep it can’t be told to make a sound. You will need another device to notify the user that the alarm is set. I personally use a Sonos speaker.

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Sounds like its all working OK on the Vera Edge UI7.

Anyone got it working on a VeraLite UI5 though?

Thanks

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[quote=“citrate, post:29, topic:182328”]Anyone that is trying to get the notification sound to work can fire off this command:

luup.call_action(“urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:ZWaveNetwork1”, “SendData”, { [“Node”] = luup.devices[DEVICE_ID_HERE].id, [“Data”] = “37 1 255” }, 1)

By default the notification will sound for 15 seconds. This can be changed by setting Device Option 2 (type 1 Byte Dec) to the number of seconds you would like. You can stop the sound by issuing the same action but replace 255 (ON) with 0 (OFF).

Bear in mind that this notification will only really be usful when arming the alarm (i.e. to inform the user that the alarm has been set) because you can only fire the notification sound when the device has been woken up, which only occurs when a code has been entered and is being validated, so you can’t use it to inform someone returning home that the alarm needs to be unset for example. This is the downside of battered powered devices.[/quote]

How do I send this luup call to the device in ui 7 ?
I tried too look in the wiki no luck.
there seems to be no how to do this guide.
I also tried to ad it in a scene and wake up the keypad no luck.

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Hi !

I could set the keyboard without problem. I push Home or Away then use the badge or type a 4 digit combination and it puts the Vera in Home or Away mode.

Is it possible to also trigger the vacation mode with a specific code ? Is it possible to trigger a scene (I made some tests but nothing occured).

Thanks !

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What happens if you use this keypad to enter away made. Then when you get home you use your phone to enter home mode? Does this keypad know you are in home mode and allow you to enter away mode again?

Or does it just enter away everytime you hit away even if that mode is already active?

If you have more then 1 door can you have more then one of these keypads to change modes as you leave different doors?

Hoping this will be a better way to enter home and away as scene controllers dont quit work smoothly for it.

Would be nice if this device had night mode too.

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[quote=“cw-kid, post:55, topic:182328”]Sounds like its all working OK on the Vera Edge UI7.

Anyone got it working on a VeraLite UI5 though?

Thanks[/quote]

Bumping this…Anyone got the Zipato mini keypad working in UI5?

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[quote=“RS7, post:58, topic:182328”]What happens if you use this keypad to enter away made. Then when you get home you use your phone to enter home mode? Does this keypad know you are in home mode and allow you to enter away mode again?

Or does it just enter away everytime you hit away even if that mode is already active?

If you have more then 1 door can you have more then one of these keypads to change modes as you leave different doors?

Hoping this will be a better way to enter home and away as scene controllers dont quit work smoothly for it.

Would be nice if this device had night mode too.[/quote]

…it has tow buttons, home and away. You don not need your phone to activate the home mode therefor… Pushing the specific button will activate the mode in VERA, after using the correct keycode or tag. Pushing a button twice, will activate the mode twice.

I havent tested it, but I?m pretty sure that if you use multiple pads, you can set the away or home mode regardless of the door you are leaving or entering. It is basically “just” a scene activator with the use of a keycode or a tag.

I?m using this for quite some time now, it works flawlessly for me. Make sure though to use good quality batteries, it uses some power… What I have not figured out yet, is getting different mails for different keytags. Anyone a suggestion? I?m a total noob to pleg, luup and lua…