I have some 3-Way Jasco set ups, and the main switch will report to the controller and trigger a scene instantly but as we know the Aux switch will not. Can I hard wire a 12727 switch into the wall with no load that will just trigger a scene in place of the aux switch?
The lack of notification when using the Auxiliary switch is normal behavior for these switches.
Replacing the Auxiliary with a 12727(GE Toggle On/Off switch) is not possible as two of these switches cannot be connected together. They also don;t have the capability to associate or Instant Status, which is the true cause of your issue.
My recommendation is that you replace the GE swicthes with a set that supports instant Status like Leviton or Cooper.
Another option would be o use an Aeon microswitch in combination with standard light switches.
My Houses are 90% GE switches I bought from my local Lowes (iris), but for the few places that I ran into your problem I swapped out both the main and AUX switches to Evolves that have direct associations. I was also able to get them in black for some other applications (kitchen) also and they look (match) the same as the GE’s.
Main=LSM-15
Aux=LTM-5
is what I used. Bought from Amazon cost probley 30.00 more in total vs. the GE way kit, but it works.
I ended up using the GE switch for something else as a single switch and threw the AUX in the garage somewhere. The GE 3 way switch kit you don’t need to use the AUX switch from the kit. So your not out.
@integlikewhoa - I too use these switches and like them. However, they do not provide Instant Status when manually operated. Since @Vanlon is trying to trigger a scene with the switch, I don’t think that Linear would be a good choice. Using Linear, he could get the scene triggered with the LTM-5, since it is a one button scene controller, but the LSM-15 would fail to trigger a scene when manually activated. (Although, I think a double click might trigger.)
@Z-waver thanks for that info.
Ahhhh, i have never noticed if they were slower then the GE switches which also don’t have instant status, but act as if they do. I don’t run any scenes from them.
FYI- The Cooper Aux switch in a three way also does not support instant status, only the main switch. And the main switch will not send out an instant status update when triggered from the AUX unfortunately.
Not sure about the Leviton Aux switch.
You could put a two button scene controller in there instead (that does not require that you control a load). And have one of the scenes toggle the light, and the other do whatever other actions you were looking for. But controlling the light in that way will likely have a slight delay since you will be using a scene.
Well what I want to do is keep everything in the gang box looking consistent. So if I installed a 12727 in there I wouldn’t hook it to the other light. Just wondering if they will act as a hard wired remote to trigger a scene if they have no load. I guess in thinking about it if the light was burned out there would be no load, so I just answered my own question. So yes.
The GE switch can function without a load. However, the switch lacks Instant Status and will not trigger a scene until many seconds, up to two minutes, after it has been pressed when Vera polls it. It also lacks associations so it cannot control the primary switch and, as I already said, it cannot be directly connected to the primary switch. So, using it in this way is largely pointless.
As I partially stated previously, you could use a Linear WT00Z-1 Accessory Switch - One Button Scene Controller(Evolve LTM-5). It has the same appearance as the GE Decora style switches. It can trigger your scene and, through association, directly control the primary GE switch. This will not eliminate the probable delay in activating the scene if the primary switch itself is pressed, since the primary still lacks Instant Status.
[quote=“Z-Waver, post:8, topic:189535”]The GE switch can function without a load. However, the switch lacks Instant Status and will not trigger a scene until many seconds, up to two minutes, after it has been pressed when Vera polls it. It also lacks associations so it cannot control the primary switch and, as I already said, it cannot be directly connected to the primary switch. So, using it in this way is largely pointless.
As I partially stated previously, you could use a Linear WT00Z-1 Accessory Switch - One Button Scene Controller(Evolve LTM-5). It has the same appearance as the GE Decora style switches. It can trigger your scene and, through association, directly control the primary GE switch. This will not eliminate the probable delay in activating the scene if the primary switch itself is pressed, since the primary still lacks Instant Status.[/quote]
The GE’s act as if they are instant status and Mine have no issue reporting instantly (with the exception of the aux switch)
[quote=“integlikewhoa, post:9, topic:189535”]The GE’s act as if they are instant status and Mine have no issue reporting instantly (with the exception of the aux switch)[/quote] …when they communicate directly with Vera. However, if they are one or more hops(routing nodes) away from Vera, this functionality is absent.