Vera's role in home security...

Hi,

I’m new to this forum, but I’ve a bit of security background.
However, after a robbery last week and a loophole in my current security, I’m rethinking my home security approach. I’ve briefly looked at Vera and it may have a possible place in my new design, but I have some questions I’d like MCV to answer first (any other input/questions welcome, too).

  1. How do I make Vera’s website call/txt me if the link from the Vera unit to findvera.com is lost (eg: phone line is cut)?

  2. What non-Zwave output triggers are available from Vera (For energizing relays remotely)?

  3. For doing #2 above, is Vera’s output control fully accessible with Vera’s programming language? And what is the programming interface (how do I get the code into Vera)?

  4. What/where are Vera’s “settings” file backed up (For when my Vera unit dies and I need to quickly reload my settings)?

  5. Can I customize the Vera web page skin or get programming to pass thru a secure login from my own page?

Thanks for any help.
-Chris

First of all, Vera is a Home Automation gateway/controller and not a specialized security hub…

  1. In findvera.com you can configure the service to notify you, when the connection with your Vera is lost.

  2. Lua

  3. You can backup your configuration manually on the harddrive, or enable automatic daily backup to findvera.com service

Thanks for the reply,

I’m 70% sure I’m going to get a Vera, so MCV please answer my questions and help me become 100% sure :wink:

It’s apparent Vera’s marketing aims at home automation, but I liked what another user here quoted, “Saying MCV is not a security center is like saying motorcycles shouldn’t drive on the interstate, or when (back in the eighties) the belief was no one will ever want to mix a PC with a cell phone.”

Anyway, IMO, the best security is a layered approach… and Vera seems to offer a succinct layer with it’s claimed ability to do: door lock control, motion sensor, video, txting ability upon cut phone line. However, I agree it’s role right now should be secondary to a separate security controller. So keeping KISS my system would be → Basic proven security system + Vera. I realize some Lua interfacing is required, but I don’t foresee that being too complicated.

With the above in mind, please answer my question updates:

  1. TXT ON LINE CUT: Ok, thanks

  2. OUTPUT TRIGGERS: I’m assuming then I’ll write Lua to control Vera output conductors such as RS232?

  3. INTERFACE: In the second part of this question I am asking what is the lua interface. IOW, is it something like -->paste code into a Vera browser page–> hit some enter button → test & debug?

  4. FILE BACKUP: ok, thanks

  5. VERA SKINS: I’d like to see some sleeker skins besides the default cartoon green Vera site. Any way to customize?

  6. DOOR LOCK: I’m confused on what the forum is saying about Vera’s capability to remotely unlock a door. On one hand, the Vera Youtube demo says it can unlock a door remotely while viewing who is at the door. Then on the other hand, many forum threads infer Vera can NOT remote unlock a door. One would obviously believe the demo is talking about remotely unlocking some kind of Z-wave main door security lock… But what lock do I use, and of the compatible locks, which one has a key fob (I want a key fob to unlock door and disarm security via Vera)?

  7. ZWAVE SELECTION: Where is best source for ZWAVE “sensors”? I’ve been to z-wave.com, but it seems limited… they only show those big bulky window/door sensors.

  8. SECURITY CONTROLLER: I’D REALLY APPRECIATE ANY FORUM ADVICE HERE
    I’m on the fence about two security system schools of thought. Right now my home no longer has any electronic security system and of course it was burglarized recently. My home is fully networked with a dedicated file server and what remains of my security server. On one hand, I’m a tinkerer and like flexibility of custom systems. However on the other hand, I’m under pressure to get a security system in fast because of the recent burglary… and furthermore I’ll be selling the home in about 5 years. So, ideally, I’d like to snap my fingers for a basic security system install and then add Vera to it… so I can take Vera with me at selling, but leave the security system intact. However, I fear I won’t have good enough flexibility unless I build my own home security hub. Now, I’ve seen where ‘Guessed’ used a Paradox EVO Series Alarm System… besides this system, does anyone recommend simple alarm system that fits my abovementioned intentions?

Forgive my long-windedness, but thanks in advance for your time!
-Chris

For the door lock, the Schalge Zwave series works. I use the FE-599, which is the lever-type handle door lock. There are 2 different Schlage styles, with Zwave, and 3 diff colors for each style… Brass, stainless, and aged bronze. They must be communicating, which equals z-wave.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&Ne=4294967294&Ntt=schlage+door+lock&Ntk=i_products&category=Communicating&N=4294961544+4294898439
That’s a link to Lowes, for example, there are many others. The Schlage system uses a proprietary LiNK system, OR, you can use vera in place of the Schlage LiNK system. Vera takes the place of the ‘router’ part of the link system.

Nobody argues that Vera can do some level of security (to some extent I use it that way as well…) - the only question what do you expect from it. As someone said here on the forum - don’t expect Vera to replace a dedicated security panel with hard-wired sensors and 24/7 monitoring service to call the police in case of a break in… I’m glad you understand that! :slight_smile:

As of questions:

  1. To elaborate some more - in case you need to continue receiving messages from Vera when the line goes down, unless you are connected wirelessly (WAN WiFi, 3G, WiMAX etc). There is a request to enable using 3rd-party notification services, which would theoretically also enable using some sort of device (an old cellphone?) to send SMS messages directly.

  2. There are some Z-Wave/RS-232 devices discussed on the forum.

  3. Most of the Lua coding is done through the Web interface.

  4. You can go to Vera’s filesystem (it’s Linux, telnet or ssh to it) and edit/replace HTML files with your own to alter it’s appearance.

  5. Schlage Z-Wave locks (deadbolt & lever). Kwikset Z-Wave lock is still not available, I believe… And yes, you can unlock them remotely.

  6. There are numerous outlets selling Z-Wave devices. Check shop.micasaverde.com, asihome.com, smarthome-products.com, smarthome.com etc.

  7. As you mentioned, guessed is considered an expert here in integrating security panels with Vera… :slight_smile: Check the forum posts on the subject.

[quote=“SandmanXX, post:4, topic:165320”]For the door lock, the Schalge Zwave series works. I use the FE-599, which is the lever-type handle door lock. There are 2 different Schlage styles, with Zwave, and 3 diff colors for each style… Brass, stainless, and aged bronze. They must be communicating, which equals z-wave.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&Ne=4294967294&Ntt=schlage+door+lock&Ntk=i_products&category=Communicating&N=4294961544+4294898439
That’s a link to Lowes, for example, there are many others. The Schlage system uses a proprietary LiNK system, OR, you can use vera in place of the Schlage LiNK system. Vera takes the place of the ‘router’ part of the link system.[/quote]

There is pretty much nothing proprietary about the LiNK, as the product line (the lock talks Z-Wave) - it’s just the paid service ($12.95/month?) provided by Schlage to control the lock from the Web and phones. Vera replaces LiNK gateway and provides the same services for free through findvera.com

Thanks denix!

My question list update:

  1. TXT ON LINE CUT: Ok, thanks for the additional direct cell phone backup possibilities.

  2. OUTPUT TRIGGERS: I’ll do a better forum search for “Z-Wave/RS-232”

  3. INTERFACE: Ok, thanks.

  4. FILE BACKUP: Ok, thanks

  5. VERA SKINS: Wow great! So I’ll be able to customize the page I see when accessing Vera on a remote PC/phone?

  6. DOOR LOCK: Ok thanks. I guess Schlage is the only player right now. That’s too bad as I had thought I’d seen a proximity key fob door lock at one of my conventions… but I can’t find anything currently on the market. :frowning:

  7. ZWAVE SELECTION: Great websites, thanks!

  8. SECURITY CONTROLLER: Advice & recommendations still requested.

#2:

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=2306.0
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=1896.0
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=2182.0
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=2023.0

#6. AFAIK, Schlage and Kwikset are the only Z-Wave capable door locks. There may be other devices for other technologies, but not Z-Wave.

#8. Try replying/asking in one of the related topics. For example, this one is a good start:

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=1896.0

Chris,
For item 8 SECURITY CONTROLLER…

Your drivers sound similar to mine. I need something that:

a) works as an Alarm system whether Vera is present or not
b) is “fairly standard” so it can be monitored either by Vera or by a “regular” Security provider.
c) has a regular Interface (keypad, keyfob or swipe-card etc) that anyone can use without a PhD
d) Can scan a large list of dumb “sensors” quickly for Windows, Doors etc.
e) Can be interfaced to a HomeAutomation system for Automation (as opposed to Control)

I write software for a living, so I really don’t want to be debugging my house. It also tends to annoy the 'mrs :wink:

Can you elaborate on what type of recommendation you’re looking for here?

This is the first Alarm Panel I’ve worked with, so I dont have a broader experience to draw upon for what’s better than what. My house came with the Paradox System, so that’s what I wrote the interface for. It nearly had a GE Concord 4 system, which is also automatable, but that was sub’d out at the last minute. I bought Vera specifically because it was going to be scriptable to this level (even though at the time I bought it, Lua wasn’t there yet). I couldn’t find a system that was as open in that respect (without C programming, and all that comes with that)

For the most part, if the Alarm Panel has some sort of RS-232, Serial-over-USB (as opposed to HID-USB or other) or Ethernet interface… and the Protocol is readily described, and hopefully plain text, then it can likely be adapted… with a little coding/scripting effort. For mine, I did the wiring of the HA Board (Paradox PRT3) since I’m fairly comfortable with this type of wiring.

If you’re going to write a driver, the key is that you have to have the unit, since the Protocol Specs are often a little vague and you need to be able to “see” the real data from the Panel.

There are certainly a lot of cheaper, more common, Alarm systems out there, but this thing is fairly proven and overall I’m happy with it. A side-benefit is that I also have a lot of “wired” Motion sensors (etc) so I can lessen my dependency on the Battery-operated ZWave gear (I have 2 of these and they both eat batteries). I can also go the “other way”, providing sensor data from Vera’s ZWave components into my Alarm panel to give it extra eyes.

After reading some of the Protocol docs from other Vendors, they all seem to have similar features in this respect though…

As a side-note, I have a [Scene-aware] version of my Alarm driver that can be used to remotely Arm, StayArm, Disarm the Panel… kinda ties into the other discussion about door locks. Once I work out how to better “lawyer proof” it, I’ll update the source code that’s been published.

For item 2 OUTPUT TRIGGERS…

My Alarm Panel is hardwired to Vera using a USB-Cable, since they’re right next to each other in the Wiring closet. The Alarm Interface board contains a FTDI Chipset to convert the USB to regular Serial, so it shows up in Vera with no fiddling.

There are a few Off-the-shelf USB-Serial Cables listed in the Wiki pages that can be used if the device your talking to has a regular RS-232 connector. I have one of these attached to my TV, along with a simple Lua-based Plugin prototype, so I can turn the TV on/off (etc).

If you want to talk to something over RS-232/Serial, then you tend to have to write a Lua Plugin to handle it. Some devices, like the GC100, expose “remote” RS-232 ports, and Vera will expose these up for you to “attach” your Plugin to (as the Input/Output). This lets you handle stuff that’s far away from Vera’s location, since it makes the RS-232 Port into something that runs over Ethernet.

It’s also possible, although somewhat arduous right now, to “remote” a Serial port yourself, over Ethernet, using custom firmware on some router models… This is how I connect up my TV, for example, over an ASUS 520 (given some suggestions from others).

Hmm, right in time…

Netgear just announced a couple of wireless routers that use 4G/WiMax USB dongles. Both are 802.11n routers that can use 3G/4G/WiMax dongles for the backhaul. The DGN2200M has a built-in DSL modem. A failover or backup option will automatically connect to a 3G/4G/WiMAX Mobile Broadband network in case of DSL outage. It should be available in April for $179.

That’d be a great option if the carriers can also provide Pay-per-use 3G/4G services. It would avoid pay $50pm (or so) just to provide backup “just in case”. I did some research on that about a year ago, and couldn’t find any that did, unfortunately.

Can’t tell just yet, but I hope the Antenna from the base Netgear are removable so it can go into the SWC.

I used to live in SF, and there was a vendor there (Wi-Fi 6E | Network Security | Switches | Routers | Cisco Meraki) testing a WiFi Mesh Network. It was a great backup when the home-based DSL went down, would love to see more of that also, since it’s a great backup solution when there’s enough local connectivity.

ITEM 8. SECURITY CONTROLLER:

Guessed,

Thank you for your detailed response, and yes our “drivers” are the same.

To answer your question, “Can you elaborate on what type of recommendation you’re looking for here?”… well, I don’t want to reinvent the wheel. So I like the “copy what the other guy has working” method. However, if Paradox is the only system that’s “Vera-tested”, then I’m prone to help everyone out here by getting a common local-store brand security system and writing the interface code (Not to mention the Vera discount!). However, whatever security system I get, I must get and install it soon… which means DIY (for me) may be the quickest. Below is my basic system scope:

Vera:

[ul][li]Video Monitoring (2 locations) [/li]
[li]Lock/unlock door via smartphone (Multiple Treo 755P’s) internet (thus temporarily disarm security system) [/li]
[li]Txt smartphone upon communication loss between internet & Vera
[/li][li]Outdoor trip sensors (txt smartphone without setting off security system) [/li]
[li]Various Z-wave home automation [/li]
[li]Various wired home automation [/li]
[li]Outdoor lighting control[/li][/ul]

Security System:

[ul][li]Standard home security functions[/li]
[li]Wired sensors[/li]
[li]Proximity reader access (24 in range) (Paradox CR-R890-BL & CR-R704-B maybe?)[/li]
[li]Lock/unlock door with Proximity Key Tag[/li]
[li]Garage door arm/disarm (DEI car alarm interface)[/li]
[li]Have functions “show up” in Vera[/li][/ul]

So being, I’m nearly inclined to just copy/adapt your whole system, Guessed. Do you have a list (aka Bill of Materials) of your Paradox equipment you can email me?
Also, do you recommend any vendor for purchasing Paradox components? (basshome.com is the only one that comes to mind)

Thanks,
Chris

Chris,
Updated the Wiki with a few more details, and sent the rest to you in a PM.

ITEM 8. SECURITY CONTROLLER:

Thanks Guessed for the list!

As far as other security systems,
I see where MCV may have done a Honeywell Vista plugin???
[url=http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=1962.0]http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=1962.0[/url]
I’ve posted a status request on that thread.

Also, as part of MCV developer’s special promotion, I requested sales@micasaverde.com tell me which security system is on their interface wishlist. Unfortunately, they’ve not responded :frowning:

ITEM 5. VERA SKINS: So I’ll be able to customize the page I see when accessing Vera on a remote PC/phone? Denix, do you have any thoughts on this question?

Guessed,

Would you please send me your list of items also. I have the Digiplex EVO192 and I just received my Vera. However, I don’t have anything else. So for the alarm, I need the power supply, the interface device, USB-Serial cable, some alarm control panels, etc. I have motion sensors already in the house from an old alarm panel. They are 4-wire, two for power, two for the sensor, will these work with the EVO192? I also have glass break sensors (audio discriminators) installed, 4-wire, will these work? They are both generic products. My old panel that also did home control was around 12 years old and fried.

Also, where to order from? We are a computer dealer but not an alarm dealer.

Thanks,

Alfred–

Alfred,
I’ll PM you shortly, but please move all Paradox Plugin specific stuff over to the Forums thread I established for that, since we’re currently hijacking the original thread.

For Paradox Plugin specific stuff, use this one:

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=2492.0

From the Wiki page for the Plugin:

http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Paradox_Alarm_Plugin

…which contains the broad set of components in my setup, in it’s References section.

It’s by no means is that a “How to install Paradox Security Systems” guide :slight_smile:

If you need that level, then you may want to reach out to a certified Paradox installer, as I only know just enough to be dangerous …

Hi all,

We will post a wish list for some devices and if is anyone who wants to write plugins for them, fell free, we will keep our promise and provide Vera to the dev price.

Speaking of key fobs - I just realized (by seeing an advertisement in the magazine), that early pictures of Kwikset indeed showed it with a key fob. For example:

http://www.cepro.com/best/details/kwikset_smartcode_home_connect1/

Not sure if it’s still an option, as on their web site they don’t say anything about the key fob… And not sure where/when you can buy one.

ITEM 1. TXT ON LINE CUT:
I just found on this forum that delay may be an issue ???

Is there still a delay in SMS txt messeges?
If so, what is causing the delay?

Anything less than 1 minute makes my design for 1st level of security breach (Vera txting & survailance upon outside motion trip) useless.

Reference–> http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=2158.0

Unfortunately, SMS delivery (especially, in-time delivery) is not guaranteed, even by cellular carriers, as it’s considered supplementary service.

For me it works most of the time and I normally receive just few of them a day from Vera - they come withing several seconds. And since my Vera sends SMS and email, which gets pushed to my cell phone as well, I receive both SMS and email back to back, usually. But there were times, when SMS would be delayed for minutes or even hours, doesn’t happen very often lately, though.