Vera vs Ninjablocks vs SmartThings? Hot tub automation

Hi everyone

I am new here (and to HA) and hoping that someone might be able to help. I am trying to decide on what system to go with and had a lot of questions. Based on what I’ve researched so far, I’m most interested in these options:

[ul][li]Ninja blocks. I like their open-source approach, low cost, and what looks like an elegent and extensible rules engine. But my concern is that it may be too early and the system lacks a robust dev community and device support (in particular, not being able to use zwave devices easily)
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SmartThings. Seems like a good system, but not sure I?ll be able to easily create and manage the kinds of rules I want. I also am concerned about dependency on internet access, as this is for a house in the mountains with spotty internet
[/li][li]Vera Lite or Vera 3. I like the fact that it has what looks like a pretty robust community and lots of people using it. But people seem generally agreed that the UI is bad and can be difficult to use. I am also not sure if I need the lite or the v3.
[/li][li]I haven’t looked as much at other systems (insteon, homeseer, etc). most seem generally outdated and/or hard to use. Are they worth looking at?[/li][/ul]

My anticipated use is fairly straightforward. It would be for a vacation home that we sometimes rent.

General controls:

[ul][li]Door locks with temp passcodes enabled remotel
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Cameras, motion sensors, door sensors
[/li][li]“Startup” house on arrival (unlock doors, turn on heat, turn on lights, turn on hot tub, turn on water)
[/li][li]“Shutdown” house when empty (reverse of above)
alarm if activity w/o presence token?
[/li][li]Turn on ceiling fan when outside temp above 80
[/li][li]get text message each time visitor door code is used or door opens w/o passcode
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Hot tub:

[ul][li]manual on/off of pump and heat with 1 button remote
[/li][li]cycle pump (no heat) 30 mins twice a day
[/li][li]turn on heat and pump for 5 mins every half hour when air temp is below 32
[/li][li]turn off after 10 pm if no-one in area
[/li][li]I think all of this is fairly straightforward, but I?m sure I?ll want to expand and explore further once I have the basics
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some of the comoponents I am considering:

[ul][li]Intermatic CA3750 InTouch Wireless Multi-Volt 120-277VAC Contactor Module
[/li][li]Aeotec DSB05xxx-ZWUS Z-Wave Muliti Sensor, 2nd Edition
[/li][li]Kwikset 912 Z-Wave Tustin SmartCode Electronic Lever featuring SmartKey in Venetian Bronze
[/li][li]Vera Lite
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Is Vera a good choice and capable of handling that type of automation? Do people ever hire out expertise to help with installs remotely? (eg: I pay you to walk me through on the phone as I get it ordered and setup?)

Any comments are truly appreciated!!
Noah

I’m still pretty new to Vera, but I love it. I haven’t found anything on the market that is close to this open and versatile.
I’m very interested to see where ninjablocks is headed. I just wish they had zwave integrated into the sphere.
You should have no problem accomplishing all the tasks you listed with Vera. If you run into problems there’s always someone on the forum willing to help out. There’s always a product or plugin to handle whatever you need. I have a combination of zwave, insteon, x10, wemo, wifi, and IP devices and I’m just getting started.

Good luck.

I just stumbled across Ninja Blocks and I really liked what I saw (nice promo video) - if I had money I would buy/invest.

http://ninjablocks.com

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ninja/ninja-sphere-next-generation-control-of-your-envir?ref=home_spotlight

Interesting the choice of Zigbee on the Sphere.

[quote=“parkerc, post:3, topic:177960”]I just stumbled across Ninja Blocks and I really liked what I saw (nice promo video) - if I had money I would buy/invest.

http://ninjablocks.com

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ninja/ninja-sphere-next-generation-control-of-your-envir?ref=home_spotlight

Interesting the choice of Zigbee on the Sphere.[/quote]

I loved the approach of the Ninja Sphere and really loved how it tracks people in the house (triangulation using 3 spheres). My only issue was the zigbee. They said it was because zigbee only had 1 frequency in all countries and z-wave would have required 3 different devices. They do support limited z-wave via a usb dongle, but you are at their mercy as to what they control. I would think that if they can use a USB dongle, they could have easily just created different USB dongles for each county, and keep the main box (or “sphere”) the same.

Either way, I hear zigbee switches and the like are even more expensive than z-wave and I’m already having issues showing my GF the benefits vs cost of z-wave (I just think it’s cool, that is why I do it :smiley: )

I have been researching the same thing for a few months and now that I just ordered my first zwave device(danalock), I have been digging through the forums of each and created a spreadsheet to track pros/cons and what I want in my HA. And while I like the support behind NinjaSphere the most(based on their kickstarter campaign and the backing it received), the shipping is way far out for me. From what I have seen Vera is the only one that:

  1. Does not require “cloud” access
  2. Full XBMC interface
  3. Openly states no monthly fees

1 and 3 are big for me, TWC in my area is spotty and when my internet is down and I am at home, I will want my home automation to work and if Vera ever goes away, I still will have my HA. With the others, if they go defunct or just close, you are SOL. Plus, I don’t want to pay another monthly fee.

The only other thing I am looking at is going with Mister House running on one of my linux servers already in my server rack and then develop everything else manually. What I like about this, I can have the voice speaking pushed through to my XBMC machines(7 of them so far). I have not looked to see if this is possible with Vera yet, but with shell access to Vera and a speech synthesizer, I am sure I can hack something together to push to remote puslseaudio servers.

Those along with the gift cards I have for Amazon and this being on Amazon almost makes this a no brainer to go with Vera. I am waiting to get an estimated delivery on my danalock(http://www.poly-control.com/) before I finalize what I will be going with, so I have some more time to lurk in each of the forums.