Questions about capabilities by a interested potential user

Hi all,

I recently found out about z-wave and its wonderful functionalities and would love to apply it to my home. However, the amount of content in this field is pretty overwhelming and I am having problems finding answers to some of my more specific questions. I would really appreciate any help from some of you, the experienced users in resolving some of these queries. Thanks in advance.

My intention is to eventually apply z-wave to automate my entire house which consists of multiple storeys. As the residents will include some less technologically savvy people, I hope to find a good compromise to bring this piece of amazing technology to them at a more layman level. As such:

  1. Is there a simple graphical UI (with floor plans of each level) to monitor and control the lightings and switches of the house? My current plan is to install a tablet in every room so I would need an App that has such a function. I understand that this is very specific and that I do not know much so if there is something similar in functionality but different in application, please share with me. From what I gather, there are supposedly several apps such as InControl that has floorplan functionalities but further information on it is scarse and I have downloaded the app and can not find the floor plan function anywhere.

  2. Is there a camera/gate opening/video and audio comm function that comes along for the purpose of opening doors to visitors remotely as well as inter-room communications? For now, my plan is to install a voice comm app (such as skype) on all the tablets located in every room to interact with each other as well as one outside at the main door. I feel that this is a functionally-appropriate solution but would love to hear opinions on current home-owners and their approach to this problem.

  3. What’s the difference between the various server units, eg. VeraLite vs Vera3 vs HomeCenter2

Your questions are actually very complicated as there are many choices out there for various parts, but none of them are a complete solution in themselves. You’ll have to slowly piece together items and build them up for a system as you describe. So let me summarize what you want:

Tablet control in each room
Software on each tablet with the floorplan for the house, and switches for the rooms shown
Audio intercom functions (on the tablets?)
Camera monitoring
Gate control
Light switches

Is that right?

Various controllers all do the same thing, in that they turn switches on and off and some have some basic logic you can program. Some support more devices than others. Just because something is z-wave, doesn’t always mean it works well or is supported by a particular controller - especially specialty type stuff. Some require the internet to work, some are subscription, etc. Generic light switches are supported by everyone. You’ll have to read about the supported functions of each controller and decide how you want to go about automating your home. Everyone has different priorities on how they want things to work, both mechanically and philosophically.

For instance, I think tablets look cool on the wall, but for everyday use, I prefer standard light switches. They’re easily identifiable, don’t require a separate device as a tablet for reliability, cost, and the fact that when friends come over I don’t have to explain to them how to turn lights on and off. Plus, even if you control things with a tablet, you still need the actual switch somewhere, whether you get the in wall kind that uses your standard switch on the outside, of a dedicated z-wave wall switch. I wanted instant status, both just for the fact its instant status, and I wanted some switches to trigger other events.

I believe on the floor plan functions you see, people are creating a floor plan in a program that does that, then saving it as a picture to import as a “background” to the control program. Then you can overlay switches on top of that picture where you want them.

Veralite is a Vera3 without the wifi, and less memory so it can’t handle as many devices. Otherwise the z-wave part is the same. HomeCenter2 is completely different and I’m not familiar with the ins and outs of it.

Thank you very much for the in depth response. You have gotten right most of my ideal set-up and i appreciate you taking time to read through my fairly lengthy wall of text. :slight_smile:

I agree with your point that tablets look cool and that actual switches should still be available for guests to use. I always thought that most z-wave implementations were actual switches with a secondary Z-wave function. As there hasn’t been much information on the actual usage ( tons of info on installation guide etc), I am using guesswork most of the way as to how those switches operate. My current conjecture is that it serves as a multi-way switch, please correct me if I am mistaken.

Also, with regards to the floorplans functionality, as the house will have a fair number of rooms, i would prefer if there could be various tabs/windows where the user can choose which room’s “floorplan” they wish to interact with. I feel that a centralised floorplan would be too extensive to be reasonably seen/interacted with on a small 10+ inch tablet. I would really appreciate if you could kindly enlighten me on how these control program operate specifically.

I was wondering if there was any similar controllers that could be adapted/configured to my desired set-up and from mentioned, but from what you have mentioned, it seems that I should first do more research on the various controllers available before deciding on my next course of action. I am, however, extremely tempted to design and implement a fully customized controller from scratch although that would probably take up a little too much of my time.

Let me start one by one and let me know if I covered what you’re looking for. Hopefully others might chime in as I’m not familiar with everything out there, but I think I’m okay with the basics.

Yes, the z-wave portion is secondary to the primary function of turning a light or load on and off, but its all in the same housing. Without doing anything z-wave, if you just install a switch in the wall, it’ll act like a normal switch. If you have a z-wave controller, you can do what’s called “include” it (kind of like installing a new device on a computer) so that the controller can also control it. You can then control that switch remotely through your computer or some through some software on a tablet or phone that interfaces with that controller. Controllers come in all shapes and sizes. Some look like remote controls, some sit on a desktop with a lcd display, some are a box like Vera…it just depends on how much functionality you want out of it besides just using it as a remote way to turn the light on and off. There are also devices that look like wall switches but are “accessory remotes” for the main switch. These accessory switches don’t actually turn anything on and off themselves…they’re just a button you push to make a switch at another location turn on and off. You can program the switches directly to each other, or have the signal go through a controller and have the controller turn on the second switch. Just depends on what you’re trying to achieve besides just turning the light on and off. There are also switches that are instant status, which means they report whether they’re on and off immediately when it happens, or others that are not. If I physically press the switch on the wall, an instant status one will show it turned on in your controller right away, where one not instant status won’t. It will show on at the next polling, which could be several minutes later. The light is on, but it doesn’t show on your controller as being on. If you just want to turn a switch on remotely and don’t care if it actually shows on, then it won’t matter. You can still press off and it’ll turn off. If you want to see its status right away, or you want that ON status to trigger other events, you’ll want instant status. One switch can be multi way as you put it, as it can be turned on or off from any number of sources.

Yes, in some apps you can create multiple pages and organize them how you like. Others can’t. Some are preloaded based on whats on your controller. I would just download whats out there and get familiar with each as everyone’s requirements are slightly different. Most are available for free or a limited trial. Some have pages, tabs, etc… They all log in to your Vera (or other controller) to make the light turn on and off. Android and IOS have different sets of apps. Many aren’t available for both OS’.

There isn’t one controller that I know of that will do everything you mentioned. Some will monitor cameras, some won’t. Vera does it, but its not very sophisticated. I don’t know of any that have intercom functions. Gate control can be done with a Mimolite for example, and a magnetic device of some kind depending on what kind of gate you’re trying to operate. Pretty much all do light switches. Some do locks. Some do ceiling fans. Some have light, water, temp, or humidity sensors. I have a Nest, and Vera will control it with a plugin. But the Nest app does far more than the Vera interface alone. So most of the time I just use the Nest app. Vera will control the basics like temp, mode, and whether its Home or Away. It doesn’t do things like scheduling (within the nest) or the Nest ‘intellegent’ functions.

Vera is pretty flexible mainly bc of the plugins that are available. There are also other standards besides z-wave however. And the device types available are different for each. Definitely do your research as it probably won’t be a cheap investment in the end. Start with the broad ideas of what you’d like to do and make a list. Find a controller and/or standard that does most of it, the drill down to the actual devices and what you’re specifically looking for. Just remember, something like Vera is only a couple hundred dollars at most. Maybe a hundred. It isn’t going to compete with something that costs thousands and requires a support team to go with it. i think Vera will be just one part of your overall home automation system.