Anybody know of any that doesn’t get triggered by sunlight?
Everspring SP103.
There is no “outdoor” z-wave motion sensor if that’s what your looking for. True outdoor sensors use more then one technology to prevent false trips. It’s not just headlights that cause indoor motions to trip. Changes in temp during wind and trees can also cause indoor sensors to have false trips.
I’m not sure if your looking for a real outdoor motion or just one that may work most of the time outdoors.
According to vendor info, the SP103 is IP44 rated for indoor and outdoor use. I have been using two of them for about three years with success. One is on my front porch and the other is on my back porch. Neither receive direct sunlight. Both are exposed to low and high temperature and low and high humidity.
[quote=“BrianLBeaton, post:4, topic:191730”]According to vendor info, the SP103 is IP44 rated for indoor and outdoor use.
Both are exposed to low and high temperature and low and high humidity.[/quote]
That is true but the problems I had were never caused by the unit not being sealed / water proof. That should help the longevity for sure but the issue I always have is the false alerts and that is due to type of detection and amount of sensors.
Heres a link to types of motions.
http://www.doityourself.com/stry/6-types-of-occupancy-sensors-explained#b
PIR is the cheapest and mostly likely to have false trips. Microwave sensors are better and a dual sensor that has one of each (and needs to make sure both goes off before the sensor trips) is even better. Actual alarm panels use this type of technology in it’s sensors and are labeled as usable for outdoors since they won’t false trip outdoors due to lights, wind, temp changes, moving trees.
Something like this is a dual sensor outdoor motion.
https://www.elvessupply.com/Tyco-Safety-Products-DSC-LC-151-Outdoor-DetectDual-Tech-Sin-Pir_p_440356.html?gclid=CjwKEAjww9O3BRDp1tq0jIP023YSJAB0-j1SoR9V0_5RsIfEpVRzxv3ysRBE4r9N2KtkgXPuz6j31RoCO2vw_wcB
I also have the SP103 in my backyard for over 2 years. False triggers are only sporadic. I use it to put on gardenlights at night when there is motion. This works great. Batterylife is rather short: only 6-8 months
[quote=“integlikewhoa, post:5, topic:191730”][quote=“BrianLBeaton, post:4, topic:191730”]According to vendor info, the SP103 is IP44 rated for indoor and outdoor use.
Both are exposed to low and high temperature and low and high humidity.[/quote]
That is true but the problems I had were never caused by the unit not being sealed / water proof. That should help the longevity for sure but the issue I always have is the false alerts and that is due to type of detection and amount of sensors.
Heres a link to types of motions.
http://www.doityourself.com/stry/6-types-of-occupancy-sensors-explained#b
PIR is the cheapest and mostly likely to have false trips. Microwave sensors are better and a dual sensor that has one of each (and needs to make sure both goes off before the sensor trips) is even better. Actual alarm panels use this type of technology in it’s sensors and are labeled as usable for outdoors since they won’t false trip outdoors due to lights, wind, temp changes, moving trees.
Something like this is a dual sensor outdoor motion.
https://www.elvessupply.com/Tyco-Safety-Products-DSC-LC-151-Outdoor-DetectDual-Tech-Sin-Pir_p_440356.html?gclid=CjwKEAjww9O3BRDp1tq0jIP023YSJAB0-j1SoR9V0_5RsIfEpVRzxv3ysRBE4r9N2KtkgXPuz6j31RoCO2vw_wcB[/quote]
The Tyco/DSC are the same as the Crow (OEM) sensors and there are compare EDS2000 = LC151 and EDS3000 = LC171.
There are very distinct quality and design then the standard home sensor as pointed out above and have a look at the brochure for full description/specifications here http://www.sprintintercom.com.au/product/CREDS2000/
[quote=“Brientim, post:7, topic:191730”]The Tyco/DSC are the same as the Crow (OEM) sensors and there are compare EDS2000 = LC151 and EDS3000 = LC171.
There are very distinct quality and design then the standard home sensor as pointed out above and have a look at the brochure for full description/specifications here http://www.sprintintercom.com.au/product/CREDS2000/ [/quote]
Question can you connect those to Vera, if yes, how (I don’t have a DSC alarm panel) ?
Not directly, and they are designed to be used through an alarm system albeit DSC or another brand.
There are options that increase the cost of deployment such as ultising a Fibaro Z-Wave Universal Binary Sensor (or other z-wave devices that except external inputs) and a 12 volt source. I know this has been done but I have never been down that route.
There are a few left through Amazon/Hialeah @$50 Amazon.com
We use regular outdoor motion flood lights that do not trigger in the sun because they do not trigger during the day. They are Z-Wave enabled and hard wired to 110 so batteries are not an issue. They work great after dark and no false alarms during the day.
For use during the day, we recommend a regular Z-Wave motion sensor but it must be mounted under an eve and out of the suns rays.
[quote=“Jamr, post:10, topic:191730”]We use regular outdoor motion flood lights that do not trigger in the sun because they do not trigger during the day. They are Z-Wave enabled and hard wired to 110 so batteries are not an issue. They work great after dark and no false alarms during the day.
For use during the day, we recommend a regular Z-Wave motion sensor but it must be mounted under an eve and out of the suns rays.
http://www.007systems.com/blog/z-wave-outdoor-motion-flood-light[/quote]
Hi,
Is there a version for EU ?
Tnks
Donato
[quote=“Jamr, post:10, topic:191730”]We use regular outdoor motion flood lights that do not trigger in the sun because they do not trigger during the day. They are Z-Wave enabled and hard wired to 110 so batteries are not an issue. They work great after dark and no false alarms during the day.
For use during the day, we recommend a regular Z-Wave motion sensor but it must be mounted under an eve and out of the suns rays.
http://www.007systems.com/blog/z-wave-outdoor-motion-flood-light[/quote]
Hi Jamr,
was wondering how you have this hooked up. i have a couple of the Defiant flood lights with PIR already and was about to order a couple of the relays you use, but was wondering how this is wired so that we can fire on the motion sensor?
[quote=“sebby, post:12, topic:191730”][quote=“Jamr, post:10, topic:191730”]We use regular outdoor motion flood lights that do not trigger in the sun because they do not trigger during the day. They are Z-Wave enabled and hard wired to 110 so batteries are not an issue. They work great after dark and no false alarms during the day.
For use during the day, we recommend a regular Z-Wave motion sensor but it must be mounted under an eve and out of the suns rays.
http://www.007systems.com/blog/z-wave-outdoor-motion-flood-light[/quote]
Hi Jamr,
was wondering how you have this hooked up. i have a couple of the Defiant flood lights with PIR already and was about to order a couple of the relays you use, but was wondering how this is wired so that we can fire on the motion sensor?[/quote]
The have the motion sensor is normally hardwired to the lights so when motion it sends power to the lights and kicks them on. They are using an in wall micro switch between the light and motion and the micro switch has 2 wire inputs that normally go to the stock non z-wave wall switch now go to the motion.
So basically the motion is always tied to the light not a separate motion and light. But when the motion trips and light comes on VERA sees that the light is on via zwave micro switch “ON” and you can use that input to turn on other lights. Also if you have vera turn on the micro switch it will turn on that motion also.
The only down side I see is that you can not see the motion trip without the light coming on and like they said the light doesn’t come on during the day so motion on’t work during the day. Unless there is a setting you can over ride or put tape of the sensor. Then you have light and motion 24 hours of the day vs. only at night.
Integ is essentially correct.
The Z-Wave relay is installed in between the motion and the lights. You will have to take down your Defiants and cut the wires in the flood light. Not a big deal if you have some strippers and some wire nuts or crimp caps. It is pretty easy to do.
The way to think of these, is that they are motion flood lights that are Z-Wave enabled.
The defiants do have a “Test” mode which triggers the motions during the day but it only turns the lights on for 4 seconds.
Thanks Integ and Jamr, I’ll give it a shot as soon as the relay gets here…