Thanks for the update, mcoulter. Please do let us know how they progress. I have been curious about SmartThings. They seem to be the up and coming leader in this space.
[quote=“eddie, post:438, topic:165611”]Be careful updating to the 3.4 Intermatic Firmware. I did and now I have lost control to the Pool Controller. ???
The Controller will link with Vera and the devices will show up, but clicking the on/off buttons does nothing.
I am running the 1.5.622 Vera firmware.
[quote=“blueman2, post:426, topic:165611”]new 3.4 Firmware is now up on their site under resources tab.
http://www.intermatic.com/Products/Pool_and_Spa/Electronic_Controls/MultiWave/MultiWave_Basic.aspx
Still no word on where to buy the p5043ME. It is not available even on their own online store. Very odd.
edit: and here is the updated User Manual with the new features:
have you gotten 3.4 working ?
I am curious about this to. I just recently resurrected my Vera, upgraded it to the latest UI7 and upgraded my PE653 and PE953 to firmware 3.4. I can’t get everything to work together properly. Here is what I have done:
-I did a full reset of the system, both PE653 and PE953.
-I included the PE653 with my Vera Lite. I could see the PE653 as a thermostat and 5 switches for each of the control ports.
-I then did a controller copy to set the PE953 as a secondary controller. It shows up under the device section.
Here is where I am stuck. The PE953 says “Out of Range” and there seems to be no way to tell it to control the PE653 through the existing network. From previous forum posts, it seems that this used to be possible by an “Include Device” option that is no longer available on the PE953 when it is set as a secondary controller. I do know it is possible for PE953 to talk to the PE653 as I can set scenes on the PE953 and then it will turn the PE653 on. However, there is no way to tell the PE653 that it is in SPA mode instead of Pool, that it has a deadman switch, or that it has a two speed pump. This is dangerous as you can set both high and low speed and burn out the pump!
Am I missing something? This sucks that it used to work and now no longer does.
Any advice?
Thanks,
-Joe
I only recently installed the Multiwave, and mine is still on 3.3 but I was getting stuck on the same step as you. Here is how I was able to complete it:
-I did a full reset of the system, both PE653 and PE953.
-I included the PE653 with my Vera Lite. I could see the PE653 as a thermostat and 5 switches for each of the control ports.
-included my PE953 using receive net, I now had a scene controller.
I was also stuck at including device as it disabled on PE953 set as secondary.
I then backed-up my z-wave network from Vera and then shifted my controller to PE953 (receive net again). This made the PE953 primary, which allowed me to include the PE653 to the PE953 and switch the primary screen.
I didn’t run into any problems with PE953 as primary, but I was a little afraid I would eventually so I tried to controller shift back to Vera. This cleared all my z-wave devices and was adding them back as new devices which broke the scenes I had created on vera. It did set the PE953 back as secondary so I then restored the z-wave back-up I had just created and everything is working as I hoped.
I just installed my Multiwave this past weekend, replacing a faulty mechanical timer, and am also very new to Vera. I have a very simple setup: 1 Single Speed pump, 1 Raypak heater, and 1 pool light. I have only have the pool pump connected at this point as I’m still finishing up the wiring heater and the light. My main question is why the Pool Controller device shows up as an HVAC thermostat in the web interface but as a light switch in the app?
I have already figured out that I won’t be able to control my heater set point via the Multiwave, but I would like to be able to see the pool temperature from the app. Is this possible?
I also have the Multiwave and my temperature control works the same in both the web interface and the mobile application. You might want to call support.
You can control the heater setpoint temperature, but only if you set the “Fireman SW” parameter to at least 0 minutes. You find this parameter by pressing P/S and Enter together, then going to the PE653 Option screen. The default is OFF, which only allows you to turn the heater off/on via circuit #5 (button 5).
By the way, I was told there is a new PE653/PE953 firmware coming out in the next two week that should make the Multiwave work much better with z-wave controllers. I hope this is the case, specially the ability to control VS pumps.
Hope this helps.
JP
[quote=“roquej, post:446, topic:165611”]@JMack89427,
I also have the Multiwave and my temperature control works the same in both the web interface and the mobile application. You might want to call support.
You can control the heater setpoint temperature, but only if you set the “Fireman SW” parameter to at least 0 minutes. You find this parameter by pressing P/S and Enter together, then going to the PE653 Option screen. The default is OFF, which only allows you to turn the heater off/on via circuit #5 (button 5).
By the way, I was told there is a new PE653/PE953 firmware coming out in the next two week that should make the Multiwave work much better with z-wave controllers. I hope this is the case, specially the ability to control VS pumps.
Hope this helps.
JP[/quote]
Thanks for the quick response. My Multiwave is still on 3.1 and I’m unable to get the PE953 to connect as a secondary controller. It is nice to know that I’ll be able to control the temperature once I get it hooked up. Is it possible that I see the pool controller as a light switch because I don’t have the heater wired yet?
I sent a request to Intermatic to figure out how to update the firmware as I don’t really want to spend the $50 on the z-wave stick if I don’t have to.
Glad to help. I had a heck of a time getting it to work, but now it works great. A few more hints:
- Sorry, but you will find there is no way to update the firmware without their z-wave stick.
- Look at this thread: http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,24372.0.html. It was very helpful when I was going through my configuration.
- Will suggest you stay with the 3.1 until the new firmware comes out. You will really not gain anything new now.
Good luck.
JP
According to information I got through some contacts, and supported by this link, Intermatic is working with BeHome247 to have full operation of the Multiwave/Pool Commander. I’m not sure what the hardware is that BeHome247 is using. It looks similar to a veralite-g. So I assume they have their own plug-in? I’m going to try and contact the new local Intermatic Rep to see what is going on here.
Scroll down here to see their controller: http://www.behome247security.com/
That’s awesome news! I’m glad to hear Intermatic is still working on this and can’t wait to get my setup working the way I expect!
I’m now being told that Intermatic is working closely to make this work primarily for BeHome247 but the code would be available to all within 30 days. I’m going to try to make a direct call to the guy from Intermatic that can confirm this for me this week.
Ok, I talked directly with my Intermatic engineer today and here is what I know (and hopefully I’m allowed to share 
).
They are working directly with MIOS to ensure their product will be working and anticipate a software release in early August that will have everything operational via Vera.
They are also releasing a new actuator controller that will control 3 units so you can have one for solar and two heat pumps. This frees up circuits 4 and 5 to be used as you wish.
Also the have a nice online tool www.checkfrank.com where you can go through a wizard of the desired use of your pool and it will suggest the proper equipment needed and include wiring diagrams for each circuit.
And that is what I know for now…
Thanks for the update! I can’t wait to see what they come up with!
So I finally have everything wired and working through the remote for my Multiwave so I decided to configure everything in my Vera Edge. I am able to successfully add the pool controller itself, getting the 5 switches and 1 pool controller device, and the remote, which gives me the scene controller. What I’m having an issue with is reconnecting the remote to the Multiwave as per the instructions. I see the 31S in the top right corner but no longer get the include device option. I reset the remote after adding it to Vera per the instructions but can’t seem to progress.
Any help would be appreciated!!!
Well, after spending some time working on this with no luck, and no help from either Intermatic or Vera support, I upgraded the firmware to 3.4. I’m still having the same problem with not being able to include the remote back to the PE653, I now don’t see a current temperature under the device…
Does anyone have any ideas or possibly even still have the 3.3 firmware somewhere? I can’t find it anywhere. Thanks in advance!
[quote=“JMack89427, post:455, topic:165611”]Well, after spending some time working on this with no luck, and no help from either Intermatic or Vera support, I upgraded the firmware to 3.4. I’m still having the same problem with not being able to include the remote back to the PE653, I now don’t see a current temperature under the device…
Does anyone have any ideas or possibly even still have the 3.3 firmware somewhere? I can’t find it anywhere. Thanks in advance![/quote]
I was also stuck at including remote as it disabled on PE953 set as secondary.
I then backed-up my z-wave network from Vera and then shifted my controller to PE953 (receive net again). This made the PE953 primary, which allowed me to include the PE653 to the PE953. I then switched the primary screen on the remote to multiwave (PE653) so it gave me full control of the pool again.
I didn’t run into any problems with PE953 as primary and Vera as secondary, but I was a little afraid I would eventually so I tried to controller shift back to Vera. This cleared all my z-wave devices and was adding them back as new devices which broke the scenes I had created on vera. It did set the PE953 back as secondary so I then restored the z-wave back-up I had just created.
It is convoluted, but it is the only way I was able to have multiwave part of vera network and still be able to use handheld remote.
Hi everyone. Any updates on this new release?
[quote=“mcoulter, post:452, topic:165611”]Ok, I talked directly with my Intermatic engineer today and here is what I know (and hopefully I’m allowed to share ).
They are working directly with MIOS to ensure their product will be working and anticipate a software release in early August that will have everything operational via Vera.
They are also releasing a new actuator controller that will control 3 units so you can have one for solar and two heat pumps. This frees up circuits 4 and 5 to be used as you wish.
Also the have a nice online tool www.checkfrank.com where you can go through a wizard of the desired use of your pool and it will suggest the proper equipment needed and include wiring diagrams for each circuit.
And that is what I know for now…[/quote]
Looks like the newest Vera update recreated/renamed all the Multiwave relays, it also broke my scenes. Not sure if anything was improved.
I’ve used the procedure earlier in the thread. A bit cumbersome, but it has worked for me.
I also had everything reconfigured with an update. Eventually it all worked out but did require rewriting things.
I don’t want to hijack this thread, but I can’t tell if this issue is new or related to how I’m trying to join Vera to the intermatic controller.
I installed the Multi-Wave controller setup a few months ago. For a while I tried to get it working with my home alarm system (Lynx 5200), but that just doesn’t want to work at all… So anyways I got a Vera Edge yesterday.
I had a few scheduled operations for the pump and lights in the PE953 and a bunch of outlets & switches (indoor and outdoor) also included to the PE953. So I did a “Copy from Primary” on Vera, and a “Send Net & Cfg” from the PE953 remote to the Vera and made it Secondary. That seemed to work pretty well and a bunch of stuff came in.
For the PE653/PE953 I got a “Pool Control” item that tries to show temperature (but only shows Air, not Pool temp). I also got 5 switches called “Low Speed Timed”, “Hi Speed Timed”, “Cleaner Timed”, “Lights Timed” and “Spa Jets”. None of these work to turn on the relays in the PE653.
What I ran into that was really weird last night and this morning was related to my schedules. Relay #4 controls the Pool Light and some GFCI outlets around the pool. Relay #5 controls the Light Posts on the gates around the pool. Relay #4 comes on from 6:30-8:30pm, and Relay #5 comes on from 6:30-10pm. When these relays were turned on, they started turning on/off randomly. Sometimes every few seconds, and sometimes not for several minutes. I noticed this same behavior on the Main Pump this morning during it’s schedule.
It looked to me like the controllers/schedule were fighting for control. Because I didn’t want to burn out lights and my pump I disabled all control from Vera.
Has anyone else seen this type of behavior?