MCV,
I asked this before but no response…so I will ask again. You have a lab where you test all the ZWave Devices and you know a lot more than the rest of us as to what works and what doesn’t work…EG Leviton Controllers combined with GE products ETC.
As Users, we blindly go out and spend our hard earned money buying ZWave products to be used on our MIOS system and then we spend weeks on the forum trying to figure out why it is not working. This cannot be avoided completely, but if you were to post a list of Hardware and know bugs then it would save us from learning the hard way what you already knew! Maybe you do…if so where is it? When I see the same topic come up over and over I realize that the information needs to be easier to get to…I want to keep the remaining hair I have and not end up divorced because my cool toys don’t work like they are supposed to!
Regards
Tim Alls
AllsSeas Yachts
Hey Tim,
Is this what your looking for? [url=http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Supported_Hardware]http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Supported_Hardware[/url]
Tim is right, we do spend a ton of time that easily be collected in a central place. This wiki is way out of date and wrong/incomplete (in some cases) based on latest firmware. I guess it is up to community to keep that current/relevant.
[quote=“kyle4269, post:2, topic:168148”]Hey Tim,
Is this what your looking for? [url=http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Supported_Hardware]http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Supported_Hardware[/url][/quote]
Look closely at the information…what are the dates and who posted the information?
You will see Leviton Scene controllers mentioned as a working device…
Now look at the forum and the discussions on the Leviton Controllers and the known incompatibility with GE dimmers. Keep looking and you will find where MCV has tested these devices,…where, I am asking, do they share with us their findings?
My suggestion is a tab on the MCV website, something easy to find, a place for KNOWN issues to be reported not by users but by MCV! This information could save us tons of time and allow us to make informative decisions in regards to what we buy. It will also make people want to buy the Vera because it will really “just work”.
IMHO…
Regards
Tim
Amen!
[quote=“TimAlls, post:4, topic:168148”][…]
You will see Leviton Scene controllers mentioned as a working device…[/quote]
I see that @guessed reported the switch part of a VRCS4-MRX to work, under Lighting Devices.
There is a big difference between lighting devices and scene/zone controllers. Meaning controllers, including Vera, are supposed to be able to control lighting devices. That’s ‘standard Z-Wave’ if you will. But a controller (Vera) programming another controller (Leviton SC or ZC) is trickier. That’s the part that is getting a lot of attention currently.
But from your comment I’m gathering that you’d just like to see information on any combination of devices that are known to not work, regardless of whether it involves Vera? (Your GE dimmers don’t work with the Leviton SC/ZC’s, even when programmed with the Leviton remote, right? No Vera in play.)
<But from your comment I’m gathering that you’d just like to see information on any combination of devices that are known to not work, regardless of whether it involves Vera? (Your GE dimmers don’t work with the Leviton SC/ZC’s, even when programmed with the Leviton remote, right? No Vera in play.)>
I would like see anything that MCV knows about the Zwave Hardware disclosed. In paticular the Leviton Scene and Zone controllers…you can’t tell me they don’t know that they have issues with these devices…save everyone hour and hours of screwing around just post it! It would be better to just say “This is the way it is…but we are working on a solution”. And yes to non Vera issues, we on the forum share everything we know and I believe it should be a two way street.
Enough rambling!
Regards
Tim Alls
AllSeas Yachts
[quote=“oTi@, post:6, topic:168148”][quote=“TimAlls, post:4, topic:168148”][…]
You will see Leviton Scene controllers mentioned as a working device…[/quote]
I see that @guessed reported the switch part of a VRCS4-MRX to work, under Lighting Devices.
There is a big difference between lighting devices and scene/zone controllers. Meaning controllers, including Vera, are supposed to be able to control lighting devices. That’s ‘standard Z-Wave’ if you will. But a controller (Vera) programming another controller (Leviton SC or ZC) is trickier. That’s the part that is getting a lot of attention currently.
But from your comment I’m gathering that you’d just like to see information on any combination of devices that are known to not work, regardless of whether it involves Vera? (Your GE dimmers don’t work with the Leviton SC/ZC’s, even when programmed with the Leviton remote, right? No Vera in play.)[/quote]
Yes, I have 3x of them. I have the latest Beta, and they’re working fine. Earlier ones weren’t as successful, but they were Private Beta’s so these should not have been generally available.
As a general rule though, I have “All Leviton” devices - with non Leviton as the rare exception. My Scene Controllers, Switches, Dimmers, etc, etc are all Leviton, and the Scene controller “push down” logic was only going to work if the components understood how to talk to each other (L → L, ok, L → GE is questionable)… not a surprise really, I wouldn’t expect to put a Ford engine inside a GM, and expect it to be supported, nor to work well.
Those wanting some of the history, do a search on “Method 1”, “Method 2” or “Method 1.5”. You’ll see references to it here:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=3620.msg17792#msg17792
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=1960.msg7394#msg7394
Method 1 & 2 are the precursors to the current model. I haven’t checked the “Vera independence” lately, but the intent was that IF (BIG IF) you had Scenes for the Scene controller Buttons that ONLY did Z-Wave Lighting stuff then it could be “Pushed down” to the Scene Controller, with no need for Vera to be involved. IF ANY of the items in the Scene required Vera, or if the devices involved couldn’t be worked autonomously, then it was supposed to be handled by Vera.
There have been recent Beta changes (see Release notes) that have touched this stuff (for Leviton) so it’s possible that some corner cases have been messed up.
If folks have all-Leviton, or all-GE, environments and they’re not working as expected, then I’d recommend that they push Tickets (or Bugs) directly into MCV’s system so they can diag directly in your system and get them addressed. It’s unlikely they’ll be reading this thread and working out how to fix stuff, so the Ticket (or Bug) route will get them the data they need.
What happens in the “mixed” environment is anyone’s guess. If there’s a problem, it’s certainly not clear which manufacturer is going to stand up to support it. 8)
Guessed,
If only I had read your post from almost a year ago then I would have known to use all Leviton and not mix brands! I had to learn it the hard way and throw out twenty five GE dimmers.
And that is exactly my point…I dont expect MCV to spend tons of time educating the public and fixing all these problems but it would be so easy to post a Hardware page that did just like you…recommend that people for example try not to mix brands.
The Leviton blogs are still rolling on so I have to ask you…I want my Leviton controllers to function through association and not through Vera…were you able to use Vera to set up your controllers or did you use a Remote? You have been listening to this for a long time so I hope your not disgusted with the question!
Regards
Tim
At any one time, I have only one Vera operating in my house (although I’ve had different ones since my original Vera 1). I do not have any other form of Z-Wave Control and/or Programmer/Remote. So Vera was Primary… up until I ran into the PRI → NO problem, and now it’s just an Inclusion Controller (until I rebuild, etc, etc)
I used all-Leviton not because anyone told me to, but because I thought it made sense (for any cross-vendor issues), because they looked the same, and at the time there was an insignificant price difference.
Now, had the Radio Shack deal been around, that might have changed the equation in GE’s favor… 8)
Anyhow, I went and pulled the Wire on Vera 2 to see what the current behavior is, and it has changed slightly. I’d call it a “degraded” (fallback) behavior when Vera is offline.
In short…
If a Light is “already off” when Vera is down, then a Single-Tap on the Scene Controller button will turn ON that Light.
If a Light is “already on” when Vera is down, then a Single-Tap … will turn OFF that light.
ie. It’s a Toggle, based upon the Last state as indicated by the Current LED’s that are lit on the Leviton Scene controller.
To turn if OFF/ON from this, you can Double-Tap the Scene Controller button and it will do that. This isn’t normally necessary when Vera is functional, but at least you can do something with it in this state.
In short, it seems like the LED Fix for Leviton has potentially changed the behavior for the “non-Vera” case. You used to be able to Toggle On/Off, no matter what, with a single Scene Controller button Tap.