Locks? Yale, Kwikset or Schlage

Other Devices & Integrations Door Locks & Sensors
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I notice as I am reading that many people have the kwikset lock configuration more than I see mention of the yale or Schlage setup. Can anyone comment on why the kwikset over the others mentioned especially since the new 2013 Schlage has motorized deadbolt?

I am considering the new 2013 Schlage Camelot Touchscreen with motorized deadbolt. Should i look at a kwikset or yale setup instead?

Thanks.

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I have the Yale lock, and I’ve been very happy with it. Have you looked at that one?

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I have not heard of or considered the Yale brand of locks. What made you choose the Yale over the others?

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+1 for Yale. Deciding factor for me was security issue on Kwikset and non-motorized deadbolt on Schlage. Have installed 4 Yale push button deadbolts and all have been great.

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I liked the physical stylings of the unit - or rather my wife does :slight_smile:

I was where were you in terms of looking at all ones that are out there…I found this review which was positive:

Then I saw this: Yale Real Living Touchscreen Deadbolt Installation (1) - YouTube

Pretty rugged!

I was told, but have not confirmed this, that the Yale Lock is considered more secure since you have to enter your code THEN press *. The other locks when you enter the proper code it will unlock once you enter the final (correct) digit.

Again, maybe slightly more secure…but I liked that approach.

It is NOT cheap. I may get Schlage and try that on another door in my house so I can better compare them.

I’ve been very happy with the Yale. really really happy.

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Schlage deadbolts did not initially offer a motorized deadbolt, which is sort of important for home automation. I have the non-zwave non-motorized schlage deadbolts on my entry doors to the house and they are well designed. Prior to them, I had the non zwave but motorized kwickset and they failed to operate after 8 months but since under warrantee were replaced free of charge by the mfr. So now that I am getting a vera and doing the home automation gig, I am looking at replacing the entry deadbolts. My inclination is to go with schlage since they woked well for me in the past and kwikset failed on me. But I’ve read several posts here where people have trouble pairing schlage with vera and other posts where yale batteries deplete quickly (tho this appears to be mitigated by a variable change in the script).

For me, I also like the 10 buttons on schage and yale vs the 5 buttons on kwikset. I think schlage also used to be limited to 4 digit pins while kwicket pins could be 6 or 8 perhaps. I think the schlage now will allow pin length > 4 digits. I like the idea the previous poster mentioned where you have the press the * button after the pin before the lock unlocks.

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From what I have found, the new Schlage that was released early 2013, has the motorized deadbolt and also allows for 4-8 digit codes (all codes must be the same length) and has some built in alarm features as well as a 30 sec auto lock feature.

I am looking into the 2013 Schlage vs the Yale now. I too don’t like the kwikset doubling up of numbers on the keypad.

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Not sure about the Shlage, but on my Yale Lock once I connect it up to the MCV each code can be any length when programmed via the MCV UI.

I have some that are 8, some 6 and others 5. I also like that flexibility.

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I’m happy with my Yale deadbolt Touch screen on vera.

scenes and another events disparated without problem.

installation was easy and I can include my users in vera !

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+1 Yale, not to mention that the new Schlage locks are hit or miss when it comes to working with Vera smoothly…

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Anyone know of differences on Zwave proximity distances?
I have my Kwikset about 15 feet away and I get a 2 out of 5 ration for positive connections. That means for every 5 openings, the lock will make a successful connection with the VL 2 times.
I have even put a Zwave repeater in between with no apparent benefit.

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Looks like Yale released a model with NO key option at all. Interesting.

http://www.yaleresidential.com/en/yale/yaleresidential-com/News/News/2013/NewsCategory/Yale-Key-Free-Touchscreen-Deadbolt/

I am creating a sheet that will hopefully help me make a better decision between the Yale and Schlage. The only aspect of the Schlage that is popping out is the alarm feature (really just want the beep whenever the door is opened) and the level of security they are claiming for their lock. Almost everything else I prefer the Yale for.

Thanks to you guys for bringing the yale to my attention. The research continues.

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I have installed Yale no key deadbolt and it works awesome. I have also installed the kwikset lock in garage door. :both door works awesome. Kwikset is a bit cheaper than Yale. Another big point with kwikset is all there locks are bump key free which is very very important feature plus they have lifetime warranty on their motor coz if the motor detects obstruction it recoils the deadbolt and try it again in total three times and then sounds a warning beep to inform about the obstruction.

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My Yale lock claims it has an alarm if it is tapered with, but I’ve never tried to set it off.

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[quote=“cue003, post:12, topic:175361”]I am creating a sheet that will hopefully help me make a better decision between the Yale and Schlage. The only aspect of the Schlage that is popping out is the alarm feature (really just want the beep whenever the door is opened) and the level of security they are claiming for their lock. Almost everything else I prefer the Yale for.

Thanks to you guys for bringing the yale to my attention. The research continues.[/quote]
Would love to see your spreadsheet. Would you mind posting so we all can see and contribute thoughts?

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@John, not a spreadsheet yet. Just detailed digging through various websites/videos/manuals/FAQs etc. Here is what I have accumulated so far. I didn’t list anything as a + or -. Just listed the features and capabilities as I found them and what they do or didn’t do. I hope it helps. I am still building and researching. I was thinking of doing it for kwikset as well but they are #3 on my pecking order list.

Yale –
– YRD240 (released in March) and YRD220 (released in 2011) and stand alone with built in handle YRL220

  • Now offers a KEY FREE version (YRD240 released in March 2013)? NO key option at all. In the unlikely event the batteries die - a 9V battery provides enough power to enter the code and gain access to the lock
  • cost with z-wave module for YRD220 on amazon is $236.72
  • still tracking down best place/price for the YRD240
  • Certified ANSI/BHMA A156.36, Grade2
  • female voice talks you through menu system – can be silenced if necessary
  • 30 sec relock? but can be adjusted from 10-240 secs with Network Module
  • interior status light – shows whether locked or not (not sure effect on battery life)
  • 5 wrong attempts = 60 sec shutdown (can be more attempts --up to 10-- and longer shutdown with Network Module)
  • tamper alert if attempting to forcibly REMOVE outside lock from door.
  • 25 user codes – 250 codes with Network Module
  • Star (*) key MUST be pressed to enter/accept your codes
  • User codes can vary in length from 4-8 digits (each code can be a different length)
  • codes must be removed 1 at a time. No option for all code removal without doing factory reset
  • battery level can be monitored in Vera
  • seems to be easier to integrate with Vera
  • some members complain about short battery life and having to constantly replace batteries
  • Yale zwave user reference guide … http://www.pepper1.net/zwavedb/uploads/resources/513c90984733a978c86885d00c0a99ef40dd8b72.pdf
  • handle sets do not perfectly match the shape of their locks

Schlage–

  • lastest touchscreen full motorized lock released in Jan 2013
  • cost on amazon is $200.65
  • Certified ANSI Grade1 – highest residential rating award
  • last manufacture to the dance with a fully motorized option
  • does NOT talk to you
  • all user codes must be the same length. Between 4-8 numbers
  • Programming code is 6 digits long – no option to change length
  • Vacation mode is the same as “all code lockout” found on Yale locks
  • Option to remove a single user code or all user codes
  • lock and leave option (pressing button on outside locks lock if disabled only pin code code will lock the lock)
  • autolock is 30 sec – timing is FIXED
  • deadbolt must be extended to do any sort of programming
  • Max of 30 codes in the lock
  • Schlage key MUST be pressed in order to enter a code otherwise the panel will not activate
  • outside of lock projects less than 1 inch = “low profile”.
  • apparently firmware can only be upgraded through Nexia
  • Tamper/Forced Entry alarms – only one is active. Forced entry detects kicks but less likely to detect crowbar. Forced Entry alarm will run for 3 min
  • Entering 4 incorrect codes consecutively will trigger the alarm in tamper/forced entry? press and hold Schage button to stop
  • Weather and pets could potentially trigger the alarm in tamper/alert mode (sensitivity setting dependent. This could be annoying but it does depend on what alarm mode is set out of the three mode options)
  • Alert mode is there to let you know entry/exit of the door – provides a double beep
  • Tamper is the most sensitive mode, used as a deterrent. It is active only when the deadbolt is extended. 15 sec alarm
  • Alarm speaker is on the interior side of the door and is about 90db (about the same as a smoke alarm)
  • Auto lock can be disabled quickly by entering a valid pin and then within 5 sec toggle inside knob from lock to unlocked. It will auto reengage the next time the door is locked
  • In Nexia, with a door sensor you can trigger auto lock to activate and lock door. this will alleviate the problem of door locking while actually open when auto lock is enabled. This capability should be able to be accomplished with Vera and a door sensor in general.
  • battery level can be monitored in Vera
  • could set a schedule scene to change from activity alarm (door open/door closed beeps) during the day to tamper or forced entry at night
  • many having difficulties integrating with Vera. Those that have been successful still report intermittent results.
  • generally known to have very good battery life (at least on older models)
  • Schlage zwave parameters …
    Contact us | Schlage Door Locks Customer Support
  • there is a handle set to match their deadbolt configuration
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I also have the Yale touch pad w/ key version and am very happy so far after 2 months of use.

I think Yale is coming out with an NFC version that will allow u you to use your Android phone to unlock the door by holding your phone near the lock.

Good luck!

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

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[quote=“Wekurtz74, post:17, topic:175361”]I also have the Yale touch pad w/ key version and am very happy so far after 2 months of use.

I think Yale is coming out with an NFC version that will allow u you to use your Android phone to unlock the door by holding your phone near the lock.

Good luck!

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2[/quote]

You might be correct about the NFC…

Here is the press release
http://www.yaleresidential.com/en/yale/yaleresidential-com/News/News/2013/NewsCategory/Yale-Introduces-First-Residential-Lock-with-NFC-/

They also talked about some other integration points with Honeywell and 2Gig
http://www.yaleresidential.com/en/yale/yaleresidential-com/News/News/2012/NewsCategory/Yale-Real-Living-Integrates-with-Honeywell-Tuxedo-Touch-Center/

http://www.yaleresidential.com/en/yale/yaleresidential-com/News/News/2012/NewsCategory/Yale-Real-Living-Integrates-with-2GIGs-GoControl/

I am not sure how I feel about NFC integration just yet. I am not all for it most likely because I have an iPhone and I won’t be able to take advantage of the NFC features. :frowning:

However, kwikset is heading in a similar direct but not using NFC and currently iPhone only…
http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/default.aspx

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Anyone notice any “smudge” or fingerprint retention on their Yale Touchscreen door locks?

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VERY little with our usage.