hello everyone. I think I have stumbled upon a great forum to help me with this small problem. I have a 2GIG panel with GSM that has a built in Zwave controller. I have all 13 or so lights working and one Kwikset door-lock in the house also working. Outside the house I have about 3 more outdoor GE Z-Wave 45604 Outdoor Module’s that all work 99% of the time turning my pond light on and off. Now between the pond and my house is the second Kwikset deadbolt on my shed that will not communicate at all. Is this because its encrypted and it will not pass threw the simple on and off devices/nodes?
I have moved the KS deadbolt into the house and it works and communicates fine. But as soon as it need to work threw a repeater it fails to connect.
alternatively, you can get an extra Vera, keep it close to the other lock, and bridge the 2 Veras (will probably make the outdoor modules more reliable)
Hi SP,
yes, the device which is supposed to work as the repeater HAS to support encrypted signals.
All EVOLVE brand switches etc. do support this.
I have them in my house with the KS locks and they work great!
Also, once you put the node in between Vera and your log, do a network heal and then assign a manual route in the KS lock and tell the lock to use your new Evolve switch as a repeater.
This way results will be far more consistant.
Let me know if you need more help with the Evolve devices or anything else,
Flo
Interesting. I had expected this to work with the GE outdoor devices, as they do support beaming, AFAIK.
(The fact that the locks also use encrypted messages, I think is only relevant in the sense that this requires more messages to be exchanged in a timely and reliable fashion, compared to unencrypted communication.)
Interesting. I had expected this to work with the GE outdoor devices, as they do support beaming, AFAIK.
(The fact that the locks also use encrypted messages, I think is relevant in the sense that this requires more messages to be exchanged in a timely and reliable fashion, compared to unencrypted communication.)
How close (to the lock) is the nearest GE?
Do you own a Vera?[/quote]
Hi oTi@,
are you 100% confident that beaming means that the device is capable of forwarding encrypted messages?
I thought beaming just meant that the device can wake up another sleeping device…
Not sure if that also includes relaying of encrypted messages… But I might be wrong…
Right; I think that’s all beaming means. AFAIK, beaming is supported by the more recent versions of the Z-Wave firmware (as documented in other threads); which I think means that all devices that have such firmware support beaming.
The GE devices appear to be one of the first ones to support it, including the ones that were sold by RadioShack, which are a few years old. (Exact version numbers as stamped on the device (see also @capjay’s post) or Z-Wave firmware level, are in other threads). I believe Evolve is related to what used to be ACT (and all of this GE/Jasco/ACT/Evolve gear seems related).
It is my understanding that it’s best to have a device that supports beaming close to the lock, but other devices on the route from Vera to the lock do not have to support it.
Encryption is a different thing. My guess would be that only the command part of a message is encrypted, not the part of the message that says who it is for and how to route it. This means that any node can forward a message with an encrypted command, as the nodes don’t need to know what the command is.
So instead of sending something like: “This is a message from Vera to Lock #1, use beaming and route it via node #5 and node #7; please UNLOCK”, something like this is sent: “This is a message from Vera to Lock #1, use beaming and route it via node #5 and node #7; please $)FL$(@#JD@12”.
Vera sends the message to Node #5. Node #5 just forwards the message to #7. Node #7 in turn uses beaming to send $)FL$(@#JD@12 to Lock #1. Lock #1 knows that $)FL$(@#JD@12 means UNLOCK, as it previously negotiated that with Vera as being the unlock command for the next so many seconds.
Sorry I dont own a VERA yet. I just checked all my outdoor GE switches and they are all 2.0a I think I understand I need a switch that supports beaming? how do I know if it does? Im looking at a GE Z-Wave Lamp/Dimmer Module Schlage Link at lowed right now. it says ver 3.0a
maybe the zwave controller you are using is not doing routing properly(?)[/quote]
thanks for that link! great stuff
4) Schlage locks work with Zensys' "Zensor Net Technology" which prolongs battery life for battery-powered Z-Wave devices. If the Schlage lock cannot be in direct communication to Vera and its signal must be routed through other Z-Wave devices, the last node in the route must be capable of "Zensor Net Beam" (ZNB). Many newer Z-Wave devices support Beaming, including:
I think Im onto something. Maybe it is my 2GIG alarm panel that is not helping. Im looking into getting the VERA lite.
I know this thread is somewhat old but … has anybody gotten their Kwikset lock to work through another device?
I have a Kwikset lock that is sitting right next to a beaming - capable Jasco 45609. I tried everything: Z-wave network repair, forcing a route manually, but no luck. The lock initially configured (when close to the vera 3 controller), but no longer responds. The battery still seems o.k.
I have GE/Jasco 45609 and 45605 plugs and switches. My house is pretty big and my Vera3 is about 200 Ft away from my KS deadbolt. (down a level and through 3 walls and a concrete floor). There is not a chance that my Vera is speaking directly to my KS so definitely my GE units are repeating. In fact, When I paired my KS with the Vera, I carried the Vera upstairs, to the door, paired it, reset all the entry codes then tried it…all worked fine. When I replaced my Vera back down to it’s home the lock no longer worked. I figured this would happen but I was also expecting to add more plugs and switches in the following week to get the range required. The following week, I added some more switches in between the KS and my Vera and voila, without doing anything, my KS lock started working. I don’t even think I had to do a heal or repair.
The Jasco/GE units and the Kwikset deadbolt setup works pretty flawless for me.
Terry
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