Feature requests

Is there anywhere I can make feature requests that will be seen by MCV?

I have a few suggestions about the scene creation side of Vera, as I think in its current form is missing a number of key features e.g. being able to AND triggers rather than just OR them/run an action once a condition has been met for a period of time (lights have been on for more than 2 minutes, turn off). At the end of the day, home automation is all about the scenes and I think this is an area that needs a lot of work.

Thanks

I would suggest taking a look at the PLEG plugin. http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/board,48.0.html

Additional conditionals have been asked for years. Do a search for conditionals and you will get many posts. I would not hold my breath asking for and logic. Your best bet is to email MCV directly with your suggestions and hope they take them into consideration.

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[quote=“stuart475898, post:1, topic:185976”]Is there anywhere I can make feature requests that will be seen by MCV?

I have a few suggestions about the scene creation side of Vera, as I think in its current form is missing a number of key features e.g. being able to AND triggers rather than just OR them/run an action once a condition has been met for a period of time (lights have been on for more than 2 minutes, turn off). At the end of the day, home automation is all about the scenes and I think this is an area that needs a lot of work.

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Most use PLEG for this kind of stuff. There is a whole section of the forum for it and it can be easy or scenes can get quickly to complicated for the normal user.
Lights been on for more then 2 mins turn off, but what about if you want them to be on longer. You have to make the scene even more complicated to make this work right.

Thank you all for your replies.

Its extremely disappointing that conditionals have been asked for as an extra feature for years and to see that they have not been implemented. As I said originally, home automation is ALL about the scenes. Since I have paid ?150 I don’t think I should have to resort to plugins (and I believe PLEG costs money once you start using it heavily, so that’s another cost) to achieve what is pretty basic, and should be core functionality. What happens if the PLEG developers decide to shut up shop one day? Where does that leave the Vera?

As time goes on, it appears that the only thing that props MCV up in this market is basically the hard work of plugin developers; take the plugins away from the Vera and what do you have? Quite a basic piece of equipment that can’t do that much.

Even with the extremely basic logic already built in, one particular trigger appears to be broken. I have had a case open with MCV for the last few weeks because I have a rule that states ‘Energy usage for Dryer goes below 200 Watts’, send me an email. As it is, this scene triggers whenever the usage changes from ANY value, to one less than 200W e.g. 0W to 1W fires the trigger, rather than when usage is above 200W and then goes below 200W, email me. How is that logic of any help to anyone? I have since been referred to PLEG by MCV, although I’m not sure if they fully understood my original email so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt for now, but we will see what they say.

We will see how things go, but if these most basic of feature requests appear to fall on deaf ears or are dismissed, I can’t see myself sticking with Vera much longer.

[quote=“stuart475898, post:5, topic:185976”]As I said originally, home automation is ALL about the scenes. Since I have paid ?150 I don’t think I should have to resort to plugins (and I believe PLEG costs money once you start using it heavily, so that’s another cost) to achieve what is pretty basic, and should be core functionality.[/quote]You don;t have to use plugins. You can use the inbuilt Lua script engine, writing your own code to accomplish anything you want. But, I’m being only a little bit facetious in that I know your response will be that this is “unreasonably difficult”. But, the functionality is there in a stock Vera!

The paid version of PLEG is $5. In the scheme of home automation systems, Vera and PLEG are insignificant costs. I understand that you wanted more, but this is what’s available. And PLEG makes Vera a far greater HA controller than anything else in the sub $2,000.00 category.

What happens if the PLEG developers decide to shut up shop one day? Where does that leave the Vera?
Humming along blissfully. If @RichardTSchaefer decided he couldn't be bothered anymore, nothing would change for current Vera/PLEG users. Now, you might not be able to upgrade to newer hardware or firmware without losing PLEG, but your present setup could continue to function as is without any change.
As time goes on, it appears that the only thing that props MCV up in this market is basically the hard work of plugin developers; take the plugins away from the Vera and what do you have?
There's no doubt that the plugins and apps are a massive contribution to Vera and its functionality/versatility. That's why MCV should be commended for building a decent platform with a good API and the best extensibility of any HA controller available to date. Without all that, Vera would only be slightly better than a SmartThings controller. But, in my opinion, better none the less.
Even with the extremely basic logic already built in, one particular trigger appears to be broken. I have had a case open with MCV for the last few weeks because I have a rule that states 'Energy usage for Dryer goes below 200 Watts', send me an email. As it is, this scene triggers whenever the usage changes from ANY value, to one less than 200W e.g. 0W to 1W fires the trigger, rather than when usage is above 200W and then goes below 200W, email me. How is that logic of any help to anyone? I have since been referred to PLEG by MCV, although I'm not sure if they fully understood my original email so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt for now, but we will see what they say.
But, when the wattage changes from 0 to 1, it is a change to less than 200. The condition is and should be TRUE. I get that it is not what you want, but the condition is TRUE so fire an email. With PLEG, you can stipulate a progression of conditions. You can explicitly stipulate that first the wattage must be in excess of 200, then transitioning to below 200. It will work perfectly with PLEG and it is something that you can test and use at zero cost.
We will see how things go, but if these most basic of feature requests appear to fall on deaf ears or are dismissed, I can't see myself sticking with Vera much longer.
This is a legitimate and understandable position to take. Certainly you're not the first to voice this opinion. I would be very interested to hear what you find that is superior to Vera, let alone Vera with PLEG. We all remain on the hunt for this unicorn.

Z-waver… Great response.

$5.95 get PLEG call it a day and move on.

I looked into Homeseer do you know how many of their plugins are paid and how much they cost each?

Thank you for your balanced response Z-Waver.

I can’t really disagree with you, and would be the first to say that a lot of my sentiment is more likely due to my original perception being different to the reality. What I am really looking for in a controller is stability/reliability and power. I can of course get the power from PLEG and Lua, but I think I’m just suffering shock about just how limited the stock Vera is. I really did expect more. I think that coupled with the terrible state the UI is currently in is what has really put me off Vera/MCV. No insult intended to MCV, but it seems a bit cowboyish to release software with so many problems.

As for the watt change logic, I must disagree with you about it currently making sense on two grounds. First, the trigger is ‘Energy usage for Dryer goes below 200 Watts’, which must imply it was first above 200W, and second I invite anyone to suggest where the current logic is of any great use. I certainly wont rule out that somewhere it will be useful, but I would argue that it is not for the most part. Ideally of course we would have the option for both - When watts drop below 200W, and when there is any change in wattage below 200W.

As for superior products, alas there don’t appear to be any without investing silly money. Fibaro does appear good on the surface but reading their forums their support doesn’t look too good, and they appear to have rushed out a new software version for CES just gone, which is unstable.

I will try PLEG and see how I get on, but I think the fact I have to resort to that for AND conditions, and put up with the buggy interface will likely eat away at me. You never know though, maybe I will come around to it all. I’m just someone who likes to do things right and not cut corners, which is what the Vera feels like quite often.

I think your looking at it wrong. You seem disappointed you need to use plugins. I feel grateful I’m able to use plugins. It opens the door to a huge list of capabilities.

What if your smart phone didn’t allow apps. Would it be better to have everything preinstalled even the things you don’t use or want?

[quote=“integlikewhoa, post:9, topic:185976”]I think your looking at it wrong. You seem disappointed you need to use plugins. I feel grateful I’m able to use plugins. It opens the door to a huge list of capabilities.

What if your smart phone didn’t allow apps. Would it be better to have everything preinstalled even the things you don’t use or want?[/quote]

I’m not disappointed about using plugins, I’m just disappointed about having to use plugins to be able to make use of what I would view as basic functions. I am certainly not disappointed about having apps on my phone, but I would be disappointed if the phone could only receive phone calls, and I had to download an app to make them.

Like I said, I will be the first to admit that my sentiment is probably largely due to what my expectation of what the Vera was going to be was, and what it turned out to be. Had it been clearly explained in the first place or I could have tested the UI, I probably wouldn’t be as negative - but that does not invalidate my point about just how basic and unstable it is currently.