Facial Recognition (Netatmo Welcome)

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Just read through this: Review: Netatmo’s Welcome home security camera gets facial recognition right | Ars Technica

I don’t own one, never owned any Netatmos product. I know we have a pluggin for the Weather station. I am not sure how to access this data or how quick it could be.

It would be fantastic to point this at my front door so it knows I am home. Run scenes off of it, or use it in other rooms to always tell I am home, etc, etc.

Just throwing the post out there to start a convo.

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Adding more info as I did more Google:

API is avialable!!:
https://dev.netatmo.com/doc/devices/camera
https://dev.netatmo.com/doc/devices/camera/camera_events

The Netatmo Welcome raises events whenever something happens at home. Here are the different kinds of events Welcome throws and their description: Person: this event is triggered whenever Welcome sees a person. Person_away: this event is triggered whenever a person is defined as away from home using her phone's geofencing. Movement: this event is triggered whenever Welcome detects a motion. Connection: this event is triggered whenever Welcome connects to Netatmo's servers. Disconnection: this event is triggered whenever Welcome loses its connection to Netatmo's servers. On: this event is thrown whenever Welcome's monitoring is activated. Off: this event is raised whenever Welcome's monitoring is suspended. Boot: this event is thrown whenever the camera is booting. SD: this event is thrown on every camera's SD card status change (ex: issue, back to working state, etc.) Alim: this kind of events is triggered on every camera's power supply source status change.

Of course how quickly this happens matters a lot… 5 seconds? Ok, 2 minutes, not so much.

This goes further… webhooks.

Webhooks enable real-time notifications, so that you can build apps that are more reactive as you get notified almost instantly when an event occurs. Webhooks are only available for Welcome. You can find out how Welcome webhooks work here.
https://dev.netatmo.com/doc/webhooks
https://dev.netatmo.com/doc/webhooks/webhooks_camera

So turns out Netatmo is an awesome company that thinks of people like us… This may be my project for 2016 (after window shades and Echo).

I dont know how much code can get reused from the current Netatmo plugin but its worth exploring.

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Call the purple police, this woman’s parlor is putrid.

More seriously, this device seems more gimmicky than anything else. There may be a use case for the facial recognition, but the API doesn’t seem to expose that functionality yet. As far as a security camera goes, a Foscam offers more useful features at a lower cost and regular outdoor IP cameras with a DVR even more so.

Just my 2 cents.

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[quote=“Z-Waver, post:3, topic:189504”]Call the purple police, this woman’s parlor is putrid.

More seriously, this device seems more gimmicky than anything else. There may be a use case for the facial recognition, but the API doesn’t seem to expose that functionality yet. As far as a security camera goes, a Foscam offers more useful features at a lower cost and regular outdoor IP cameras with a DVR even more so.

Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

So the device as a whole, I agree. However if it truly does good Face Recognition (which the Ars report says it does well, and I trust Ars) and has an open API, I am more optimistic then pessimistic. At least to use for us.

One of the things I struggle with is knowing when I am home and when I am not. I don’t like relying on a schedule or even my phone. The only thing I wish this thing would do is recognize when someone leaves.

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Boy, I know I like a drink but I always know when I am at home. ;D

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[quote=“joer., post:4, topic:189504”][quote=“Z-Waver, post:3, topic:189504”]Call the purple police, this woman’s parlor is putrid.

More seriously, this device seems more gimmicky than anything else. There may be a use case for the facial recognition, but the API doesn’t seem to expose that functionality yet. As far as a security camera goes, a Foscam offers more useful features at a lower cost and regular outdoor IP cameras with a DVR even more so.

Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

So the device as a whole, I agree. However if it truly does good Face Recognition (which the Ars report says it does well, and I trust Ars) and has an open API, I am more optimistic then pessimistic. At least to use for us.

One of the things I struggle with is knowing when I am home and when I am not. I don’t like relying on a schedule or even my phone. The only thing I wish this thing would do is recognize when someone leaves.[/quote]

Just bumping this to see if anyone knows if the facial recognition may be exposed in api yet. I saw this at CES and while I didn’t test the facial recognition function, the ability to differentiate between a person vs car vs animal was pretty nice. I can easily see using these, with the caveat that the outdoor version wasn’t very attractive…

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I don’t know I have used Facial recognition before… And that was just direct look in the camera face shots and it was ahhhh.

I can only image how it works with a hood, glasses, hat or anything else. I can also image how it works with side shot’s, sunlight deflection, fast moving people and other issues that come up. And if it’s used for any type of security do I trust it enough to notice a guy wearing a hood or mask is not a furry animal. Will it record/notify or is it not going to see a face and pass it off as non human and ignore the hole thing all together?