25 year old first time homebuyer needing help to lower electric cost

So as the title says. I am about to settle on a house in a week and would like to use home automation to lower the electric bill as much as possible. I have a vera edge I bought to use with a schlage deadbolt but I am thinking there are so many other things which I can set on a schedule. So here are the specs which I would like to accomplish:

Schedule the electric hot water heat to run at certain times-- What would be needed and can an average non electrician set this up?
Motion detection lights-- What would be needed?
Real time electric usage statistics-- Seems useful
HVAC control - Electric heat pump so would be nice to control this remotely if no one is home
Moisture levels - Has a basement and would like to keep an eye out for possible mold growth conditions
Pellet Stove - I am having a pellet stove installed in an existing fire place. Can this be controlled remotely or is that a fire hazard?
Home security - Would like to possibly set up a home security system which has windows sensors, door sensors, etc, but do not want a monthly fee so if there are any known systems to work with vera edge that would be great

Any other ideas people can think of and links to the products to buy for them would be great. I am young so my salary is still not as high as I would like so saving on these aspects would be great. Thanks for any advice!

You don’t state where in the world you are. This will have a major impact on product selection. The following recommendations are assuming the U.S. market.

[quote=“qiuzman, post:1, topic:189692”]Schedule the electric hot water heat to run at certain times-- What would be needed and can an average non electrician set this up?[/quote]You’ll need a Z-Wave controlled contactor like the Intermatic CA3750 or the newer Aeon Labs ZW078-A Heavy Duty Appliance Swicth An electrician is not required, but if you are inexperienced, I would strongly recommend an electrician.

Motion detection lights-- What would be needed?
You'll need a motion sensor, such as the [url=http://amzn.to/1WVELPN]Schlage RS200 Z-Wave Motion Sensor[/url] and a Z-Wave light switch such as the [url=http://amzn.to/1kZmLml]GE 12722 On/Off Switch[/url] or a dimmer like the [url=http://amzn.to/1kZmUWM]GE 12724 Smart Dimmer[/url] or any of several other brands and models. The motion sensor alerts Vera that there is motion and then a scene on Vera turns on lights or whatever you want.
Real time electric usage statistics-- Seems useful
[url=http://amzn.to/1WVFh0h]Aeon Labs Aeotec Z-Wave Home Energy Meter, 2nd Edition (DSB28-ZWUS)[/url]
HVAC control - Electric heat pump so would be nice to control this remotely if no one is home
[url=http://amzn.to/1WVFMHD]Honeywell YTH8320 Z-Wave Enabled Programmable Thermostat[/url] or [url=http://amzn.to/1WVFUGY]TRANE XR524 Nexia Home Intelligence Z-Wave Thermostat[/url] or several WiFi thermostats including Nest, though I don't share the enthusiasm for the Nest products.
Moisture levels - Has a basement and would like to keep an eye out for possible mold growth conditions
[url=http://amzn.to/1WVGd4I]Everspring Z-Wave Wireless Temperature / Humidity Sensor[/url]
Pellet Stove - I am having a pellet stove installed in an existing fire place. Can this be controlled remotely or is that a fire hazard?
I have no experience with pellet stoves. I feel that remotely controlled fireplaces and space heaters are a major safety hazard that should be avoided.
Home security - Would like to possibly set up a home security system which has windows sensors, door sensors, etc, but do not want a monthly fee so if there are any known systems to work with vera edge that would be great
DSC Alarm systems are popular for this purpose. Combined with a [url=http://amzn.to/1WVGGUs]Envisalink Internet Alert Module for DSC[/url] network module it can be integrated into Vera and make all sensors available for Vera automation.

Be forewarned, that unless your family has the bad habit of always leaving all the lights on, automation is not likely to have a major impact on energy savings. These Z-Wave devices don’t use less energy than a regular switch, in fact they each use one watt more than a regular switch.

Even switching off a modern water heater that is properly insulated for many hours each day will not likely produce a measurable difference than its built-in thermostat. You won’t notice an appreciable energy usage difference until you are regularly turning it off for many days at a time. This works for vacation homes and rentals, but isn’t practical when you live in the house.

Z-Wave A/C thermostats are neat and can be convenient, but they are no more energy efficient than a properly setup 7 day programmable thermostat.

I have a somewhat larger than average modern U.S. house that is fully automated and I don’t think I’ve seen a 10% reduction in energy use over my non-automation consumption. ‘Will you kids turn off the damn lights, when you’re not in the room!’ You’ll see your best energy conservation from efficient insulation, windows, heat pumps, LED bulbs.

You simply will not see any kind of significant energy savings with HA. And by the time you factor in the cost to automate extra things, you almost always spend more than the little you save anyway.

HA has its uses in terms of extra monitoring, and convenience, just not really in energy savings. At least not past what a well programmed thermostat will already do.

For energy efficiency improvements, your money is better spent improving insulation, adding external shade by windows, energy efficient drapes, led lighting, etc. Just as the last poster said.

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[quote=“JasonJoel, post:3, topic:189692”]You simply will not see any kind of significant energy savings with HA. And by the time you factor in the cost to automate extra things, you almost always spend more than the little you save anyway.

HA has its uses in terms of extra monitoring, and convenience, just not really in energy savings. At least not past what a well programmed thermostat will already do.

For energy efficiency improvements, your money is better spent improving insulation, adding external shade by windows, energy efficient drapes, led lighting, etc. Just as the last poster said.

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Fully agree with the above. Your investments will be more then your savings. Its mostly about comfort and monitoring. If you want to save on your electrics invest in some solar panels.

[quote=“mcalistair, post:4, topic:189692”][quote=“JasonJoel, post:3, topic:189692”]You simply will not see any kind of significant energy savings with HA. And by the time you factor in the cost to automate extra things, you almost always spend more than the little you save anyway.

HA has its uses in terms of extra monitoring, and convenience, just not really in energy savings. At least not past what a well programmed thermostat will already do.

For energy efficiency improvements, your money is better spent improving insulation, adding external shade by windows, energy efficient drapes, led lighting, etc. Just as the last poster said.

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Fully agree with the above. Your investments will be more then your savings. Its mostly about comfort and monitoring. If you want to save on your electrics invest in some solar panels.[/quote]

To add to this, the best thing I ever did for energy savings was attic insulation. I broke even the first year. I know it isn’t fun or glamours, but that would be my recommendation. Then take the money you save there and buy your automation stuff and have fun.

I generally agree with the other posters here - I have spent more on HA that I will save in energy. But I do think a case for HA centered around HVAC actually saving money can be made. Here in Texas where $300+ electric bills in the summer to run the AC are the norm, I can see a 1-2 year payback on a z-wave thermostadt + z-wave ceiling fan controllers with some kind of control to tell them when to run (alarm system integration or perhaps some independent motion sensor)…

I concur with all the above information. I have a few Trane Z-Wave thermostats. They don’t save any energy, per se, but if I’m traveling, I can monitor the inside temperature and adjust, if necessary. And if I’m away for long periods, inside humidity may become an issue. So, I use a humidity monitor to keep it in check.

This one is made by Everspring. http://www.smarthome.com/everspring-st814-z-wave-temperature-humidity-sensor.html?src=Froogle&gclid=COa457vulckCFYw7gQodLpQHyA

The batteries last about eight months.

I also agree with everyone above. All my automation does nothing for my electric bill with my comfort living. I run the a/c to keep the house cool and I don’t have great insulation in my 1950’s house. I use alot more electricy then most of my friends but my house is alway cool, my surround sound, networking switches, access points, routers, modems, xbox, computer, IP cameras, cell phones, all kinds of other gadgets are always on and I’m good.

I have switched out every bulb in the house to LED (didn’t notice any savings, but I’m sure it’s there somewhere).

[quote=“integlikewhoa, post:8, topic:189692”]I have switched out every bulb in the house to LED (didn’t notice any savings, but I’m sure it’s there somewhere).[/quote]I suspect that you are already well aware of this, but… Going from a 65 watt incandescent to a 9 watt LED is an 85% reduction. It’s probably the biggest individual reduction you can make. But it’s not noticeable unless you have a lot of bulbs and live in a mild climate that doesn’t use air conditioning or electric heat.

In your case, your A/C is probably 95% of your total electricity consumption. Saving 85% on the likely 2-3% used by lighting results in a maximum overall savings of less than half of a percent. $0.0045 per hundred dollars is VERY hard to see.

You’ll see the most noticeable savings with insulation or a higher (S)EER rating A/C, if you haven’t already maxed those out.

[quote=“Z-Waver, post:9, topic:189692”]I suspect that you are already well aware of this, but… Going from a 65 watt incandescent to a 9 watt LED is an 85% reduction. It’s probably the biggest individual reduction you can make. But it’s not noticeable unless you have a lot of bulbs and live in a mild climate that doesn’t use air conditioning or electric heat.

In your case, your A/C is probably 95% of your total electricity consumption. Saving 85% on the likely 2-3% used by lighting results in a maximum overall savings of less than half of a percent. $0.0045 per hundred dollars is VERY hard to see.

You’ll see the most noticeable savings with insulation or a higher (S)EER rating A/C, if you haven’t already maxed those out.[/quote]

A/C is 14seer, insulation defiantly needs to be upgraded. I have no insulation in some walls, Raised foundation with hardwood floors and no insulation in crawl space or under floor and attic is 2x4 which I can see the 2x4’s. As I been remodeling rooms I have been adding insulation and I haven’t blown in the attic as I use ti quiet offten during remodel, adding cameras, alarm panel, surround sound and figured once I put over a foot of insulation I will no longer be able to do that. So finishing remodel first then blow in attic.

But yes I know I could save alot in other places, just comes down to time money and which direction I want to throw both of those. Sometimes it not at the house. ;D

I came here to say this. If you’re looking at achieving significant reduction in your electric bill, HA is the wrong path.

This is my experience. I looked at 12-15 incandescent recessed lights in the house that are generally ON when the house is occupied, and decided to get LED bulbs to replace them. I haven’t noticed a change in my electricity bill, and you’re right, it’s probably due to the fact that I live in Florida, I have two HVAC systems, and I replaced the bulbs in August.

But, the OP hasn’t been back since starting this thread and only has one post, so who knows if this info will hit the intended target.

May or may not have hit the intended target, but I’m in the market for a new home, all the suggestions are great … even with my simple setup with a VeraLite (GE bulbs, window/door sensors)